Originally posted by Silent Master
Slade has zero feats to suggest he can take a Chitauri energy blast or tank hits from guys like the Red Skull, Loki and the Winter Soldier.
Pretty sure getting hit by a speeding car, getting run over and still getting up counts for something. Also getting hit by a falling steel light tower.
Granted, these didn't happen to Slade directly but to his mirakuru-soldiers who were getting their powers by a transfusion of his blood.
Originally posted by marwash22
the finale. He straight up walks up to one of Slade's men and stabs him in the head with an arrow.
Ok I watched the final episode. All the arrows they were using were tipped with the serum that countered the mirakuru. That's what allowed them to go toe to toe with the mirakuru soldiers.
Originally posted by marwash22
Oliver, The Dark Archer, Sarah, etc. all shot them with arrows just fine... they simply pulled the arrows out of their bodies as if they weren't registering the pain.Where on Earth are you getting this "muscle solid as concrete" stuff from?
It's from the episode where they first fought the first mirakuru-soldier. Oliver (or maybe it was Diggle) stabbed him in the thigh with an arrow and he took out the arrow and threw it away. Later Felicity is checking the arrow and the arrow head is all bent and misshapen and she says that the only way the arrow could get damaged like that if it hit something as hard as concrete.
I'm paraphrasing here of course. I'll have to find the particular episode to get the exact words.
And yes, arrows do penetrate them enough to stick into them, just not deep enough to cause serious injury.
For the record, I've never watched "Arrow". But...
Cap was actually shot with BULLETS three times at the end of TWS. I think for dramatic purposes they had him act as if he was really struggling. He was still able to pick a really, really, really heavy beam and withstand punches from a bionic arm.
Slade's serum was made in Japan.
Cap's was made in Germany.
Cap wins.
Originally posted by HellRider
For the record, I've never watched "Arrow". But...Cap was actually shot with BULLETS three times at the end of TWS. I think for dramatic purposes they had him act as if he was really struggling. He was still able to pick a really, really, really heavy beam and withstand punches from a bionic arm.
Slade's serum was made in Japan.
Cap's was made in Germany.Cap wins.
Cap was limping and struggling to move after being shot. Good durability feat but not quite as good as the mirakuru soldiers simply tanking the shots.
As for lifting that beam, it's not like Cap lifted the entire thing. He lifted it enough to shift the weight so Bucky could wiggle out. Good strength feat still but let's not make it sound like he lifted the entire thing.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Cap was limping and struggling to move after being shot. Good durability feat but not quite as good as the mirakuru soldiers simply tanking the shots.
Look at the OP bud ^ NO WEAPONS
Cap may not be as resilient to bullets as Slade, but this is h2h. Which means no guns. And Cap took hits from Loki, Red Skull and Winter Soldier - all of which are superhuman level. Slade had trouble with normal, regular, human Arrow. And that statement of Slade regenerating underwater cannot be taken literally. Slade is brain damaged, and therefore an unreliable source for accurate info.
That's just durability... Cap is way way way way way way faster than Slade could dream of being, Cap is more agile, more skilled, smarter and at least equally strong.
Originally posted by Firefly218
Look at the OP bud ^ [B]NO WEAPONSCap may not be as resilient to bullets as Slade, but this is h2h. Which means no guns. And Cap took hits from Loki, Red Skull and Winter Soldier - all of which are superhuman level. Slade had trouble with normal, regular, human Arrow. And that statement of Slade regenerating underwater cannot be taken literally. Slade is brain damaged, and therefore an unreliable source for accurate info.
That's just durability... Cap is way way way way way way faster than Slade could dream of being, Cap is more agile, more skilled, smarter and at least equally strong. [/B]
Where have I ever said they were getting weapons? The gunshot feats were there to demonstrate durability. Because obviously a guy who can get shot multiple times at blank range and keep going can tank punches better than the guy who gets crippled from a few shots.
Mirakuru soldiers have also gotten hit and run over by cars and still got back up. Pretty sure cars hit stronger than WS or Red Skull. Maybe Loki.
And where are you getting this nonsense about Slade having trouble with Arrow? The only time Oliver gave Slade any trouble was when the miraukuru was taken out of Slade and he was only human.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Where have I ever said they were getting weapons? The gunshot feats were there to demonstrate durability. Because obviously a guy who can get shot multiple times at blank range and keep going can tank punches better than the guy who gets crippled from a few shots.Mirakuru soldiers have also gotten hit and run over by cars and still got back up. Pretty sure cars hit stronger than WS or Red Skull. Maybe Loki.
And where are you getting this nonsense about Slade having trouble with Arrow? The only time Oliver gave Slade any trouble was when the miraukuru was taken out of Slade and he was only human.
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Bullets are piercing, punches are blunt force. Different kinds of durability. Just because Slade is better at tanking bullets doesn't mean he's better at tanking punches. Because he's certainly not. Slade has no durability feats on the same level as Cap, when it comes to h2h.
Your second point is plain wrong
I say Slade had "trouble" in that he didn't completely dominate Oliver. Oliver matched Slade in skill, speed and agility. The huge advantage Slade had over Oliver was durability/strength, an advantage he won't have against Cap.
Originally posted by Firefly218
?Bullets are piercing, punches are blunt force. Different kinds of durability. Just because Slade is better at tanking bullets doesn't mean he's better at tanking punches. Because he's certainly not. Slade has no durability feats on the same level as Cap, when it comes to h2h.
Your second point is plain wrong
I say Slade had "trouble" in that he didn't completely dominate Oliver. Oliver matched Slade in skill, speed and agility. The huge advantage Slade had over Oliver was durability/strength, an advantage he won't have against Cap.
Bullets provide blunt force trauma as well as piercing. That's fact. That's why people jerk back when they get shot.
Plus like I said, mirakuru soldiers have survived getting hit by cars without apparent side effects. Those are pretty good blunt trauma durability feats, since cars can hit with much more force than Red Skull or Winter Soldier.
Oliver never matched miraukuru Slade. Everytime they met and Slade had miraukuru, he completely dominated Oliver. Batroc had a better showing against Cap than Oliver had against mirakuru Slade.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Does Slade have any durability feats that match with Cap taking hits from Loki, WS and RS, energy weapons or jumping out of a plane without a chute?
Not from Slade himself but as previously mentioned, the mirakuru soldiers tanked getting hit by vehicles and Roy got hit by a falling light tower and just shrugged it off.