Vitiate vs Orbalisk Bane

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Keep in mind Carthage that no matter how much you cry Nexus, if Vitiate really was a weakling who required a nexus and prep for all of his power, than any powerful Sith could just waltz into the Dark Temple and slaughter him, with Vitiate's killer also benefiting from said nexus.

Unless you're talking about the Voice, but even then Vitiate has always known when someone planned to betray him due to his own spy network.

Originally posted by Sinious
I accept your lame concession on Vitiate > Caedus btw

Sorry for having real life responsibilities, but hey you want to take this as seriously as a political debate then go ahead.

Not to mention, nobody gives a shit about nexuses. I have never seen a character go "he gets his powah from nexuses! We should get him off of nexuses so we can kill him!" or "he's too powerful on a dark side nexus!"

Somebody hasn't played the KOTOR games.

The ones that Drew Karpyshyn and SWTOR seem to completely ignore?

Descriptive writing hasn't been the strongest element of BiOWare's writing team...

Though I did actually message Drew about what he thinks the effects Kaas would have had on the characters in his book, according to him he left it open on purpose so as to make forum debates 'more spirited'.

Sion is obviously a unique case, guys.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
While I get your point, that's not true. Most of the time Vitiate keeps himself in a space fortress, with Rakata tech, hidden from all sensors, with impregnable defenses, and the only people he keeps around him he's bent to his will.

Unless you're talking about the Voice, but even then Vitiate has always known when someone planned to betray him due to his own spy network.

That was only after Revan. Before then he had challenges and battles in person.

Originally posted by Nephthys

That was only after Revan. Before then he had challenges and battles in person.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Sorry for having real life responsibilities, but hey you want to take this as seriously as a political debate then go ahead.

Nah, its chill but I am curious to see you prove how Caedus is above dark council one-shoting. 😉

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Keep in mind Carthage that no matter how much you cry Nexus, if Vitiate really was a weakling who required a nexus and prep for all of his power, than any powerful Sith could just waltz into the Dark Temple and slaughter him, with Vitiate's killer also benefiting from said nexus.

However that did not happen in a thousand years, despite numerous powerful Sith rising to prominence, the Sith in his empire were in awe of his power, and Vitiate has some pretty damn good hype in official sources. Not to mention, nobody gives a shit about nexuses. I have never seen a character go "he gets his powah from nexuses! We should get him off of nexuses so we can kill him!" or "he's too powerful on a dark side nexus!"

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Originally posted by Emperordmb
Not to mention, nobody gives a shit about nexuses.

Don't call someone else a troll when you ignore established canon.

Also, only speak for yourself.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Don't call someone else a troll when you ignore established canon.

LOL Doesn't your "son" do that all the time? 😆

Nobody has actually managed to establish a causal relationship between Sion's ability and the darkside power of Malachor V and Korriban, for the record.

Originally posted by appletonia
Nobody has actually managed to establish a causal relationship between Sion's ability and the darkside power of Malachor V and Korriban, for the record.

Sion managed to resurrect himself outside of a nexus. That claim is flawed from the beginning.

Originally posted by appletonia
Nobody has actually managed to establish a causal relationship between Sion's ability and the darkside power of Malachor V and Korriban, for the record.

Both Traya and Sion himself establish it at the 4:30 and 1:45 marks respectively.

I had exactly those two quotes in mind when I said that.

Originally posted by Sinious
Sion managed to resurrect himself outside of a nexus. That claim is flawed from the beginning.

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I believe the argument is that he can't resurrect himself as many times when not on a nexus.

Originally posted by appletonia
I had exactly those two quotes in mind when I said that.

I had exactly those two quotes in mind when you said that as well.

Originally posted by appletonia
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I believe the argument is that he can't resurrect himself as many times when not on a nexus.

Oh in that case, is there any quote that specifically states this?

Originally posted by Sinious
Oh in that case, is there any quote that specifically states this?

First one: the quote reads a lot better if you interpet it as Kreia, the profoundly gifted seer and master schemer, meaning that the time that Meetra would, not could, defeat Sion was not now but later. It's a recurring theme throughout the game that Kreia knew a lot more than she lets on, and was grooming the Exile to be the one to defeat her enemies. In other words, rather than saying that Meetra couldn't defeat Sion because they were on Korriban, she's saying that she couldn't defeat him because she knew that now was not ultimately the right time for events to be in place to enable it to happen.

"But it is not now, not here, while Korriban runs through him" =/= "But it is not now, not here, given that Korriban runs through him". She's simply speaking in a very flowery manner where most of what she says is redundant. Meetra can not defeat him "now", and incidentally it is at that moment that "Korriban runs through him".

Edit - at what point does the quote come up in the second video?

He was never an awful parent....