If Captain America is a 10

Originally posted by Q99
I'll mention another good one: Wonder Woman. She gets overlooked, but she's a tactician/strategist, she's inspiring, she's done the whole 'pull a bunch of heroes together because she's *WonderWoman*' thing (In WW600, gathered a whole army of heroines on the spot), and serves as a military commander fairly often. When the Greek and Indian pantheons fought together against Chronus's Titans, they picked Wonder Woman to lead them. At least a 9.

In WW3 (the Morrison penned one) she led the entire EARTH, plus the Angelic Host, into battle.

Originally posted by Q99
I'll mention another good one: Wonder Woman. She gets overlooked, but she's a tactician/strategist, she's inspiring, she's done the whole 'pull a bunch of heroes together because she's *WonderWoman*' thing (In WW600, gathered a whole army of heroines on the spot), and serves as a military commander fairly often. When the Greek and Indian pantheons fought together against Chronus's Titans, they picked Wonder Woman to lead them. At least a 9.

She is a decent but unremarkable leader. I wouldn't even give her 4 points compared to cap.

Originally posted by riv6672
Cyclops for sure got the up front leadership training, but, the training NW got WAS leadership training, same as in the military. You apply the lessons learned as a subordinate when you get soldiers of your own.
When he met his meta peers they almost immediately defaulted to him.
As to the villains, i disagree. Before comics became a body count based industry, the Bat villains were unique in their willingness to kill when compared to non Bat villains. Just MO, though.
Whats not opinion though, is your last point about Cyclops. Thats why i call him an elder statesman.

Fair points, but I disagree on the villains. Even when the kids gloves were on, villains were still ostensibly trying to kill the heroes (usually while shouting things like "I'll destroy you!" and such 😄 ) .

Anywho, I guess we'll agree to disagree on NW/Cyke.

Kang is the biggest leader in comics

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Originally posted by DarkSaint85
In WW3 (the Morrison penned one) she led the entire EARTH, plus the Angelic Host, into battle.

Originally posted by abhilegend
That was because of Superman.

Yeah, he was crying too much so she had to man up 😠

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yeah, he was crying too much so she had to man up 😠

Originally posted by MF DELPH
Optimus Prime - Over 9000.

Originally posted by GroggyGrunt
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Dude can always get a team of heroes and villains to work together with him. And nobody every wants to, but he's compelling like that 😱

1. Reed Richards 11

2. Superman 8

3. Nightwing 11

4. Cyclops 12

5. Leonardo 9

6. Cosmic Boy ???

7. Alan Scott GL 7

8. Guardian 7

9. Magneto 4

10. Sinestro 5

11. Pym 8

12. Stark 7

13. Logan 4

14. Prof X 10

15 Storm 6

16. Lex 8

17. Batman 7.5

18. Captain Cold 5.5

19 Norman 4

Optimus Prime would be a 10++, Prime is the type of leader you would go to the gates of hell for. He can inspire his troops when all is lost, change the tide of a battle with his presences and is willing and has put his own life on the line for his friends/family thats a sign of a true leader, TF The Movie him just by showing up kicking the living sh** out of Megatron to the point the deceptions in retreat shows what he bring to the battlefield.

Tbf Prime seems to be in the top 1% powerwise in universe. He alone walks through waves of decepticons.

Originally posted by GroggyGrunt
Fair points, but I disagree on the villains. Even when the kids gloves were on, villains were still ostensibly trying to kill the heroes (usually while shouting things like "I'll destroy you!" and such 😄 ) .

Anywho, I guess we'll agree to disagree on NW/Cyke.

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No worries, this was a fun back and forth.

Yeah, i haha'd the Kang post, but it WAS very 😕

Where do these other team leaders rate?

1. Reed Richards-=4 and that's being generous

2. Superman=8 he would rate higher if he wasn't always leading from the front and wanting to protect his teammates.

3. Nightwing=9 he's vg, but Cap is a beter strategist

4. Cyclops=8 His major weakness isn't stratey but letting his emotion affect his planing and reaction, and to tell the truth he just doesn't have the awe factor to have people follow him come Hell or Highwater the way Cap does.

5. Leonardo=7

6. Cosmic Boy=7

7. Alan Scott GL=6

8. Guardian=Which Guardian

9. Magneto=6

10. Sinestro=7

11. Batman=9.5 IMO Batman is as good if not a better tactician than Csp. But his major weakness is people skills. He's basically the Patton of the superhero world, where Cap is closer to MacArthur.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
8. Guardian - Alpha Flight? Who cares (KM).

Originally posted by shadowknight
Where do these other team leaders rate?

1. Reed Richards-=4 and that's being generous

2. Superman=8 he would rate higher if he wasn't always leading from the front and wanting to protect his teammates.

3. Nightwing=9 he's vg, but Cap is a beter strategist

4. Cyclops=8 His major weakness isn't stratey but letting his emotion affect his planing and reaction, and to tell the truth he just doesn't have the awe factor to have people follow him come Hell or Highwater the way Cap does.

5. Leonardo=7

6. Cosmic Boy=7

7. Alan Scott GL=6

8. Guardian=Which Guardian

9. Magneto=6

10. Sinestro=7

11. Batman=9.5 IMO Batman is as good if not a better tactician than Csp. But his major weakness is people skills. He's basically the Patton of the superhero world, where Cap is closer to MacArthur.

Ha, i like your Genets analogy. 👆

Originally posted by shadowknight
4. Cyclops=8 His major weakness isn't stratey but letting his emotion affect his planing and reaction, and to tell the truth he just doesn't have the awe factor to have people follow him come Hell or Highwater the way Cap does.

Cyclops lived that nightmare in Second Coming (against Bastion instead of Ultron), suffering a similar rate of deaths on his side and sense of hopelessness that Cap went through, including Nightcrawler dying in the field, and never allowed emotion to factor in. Dr. Nemesis pointed to Cyclops' leadership as the reason the mutant race survived.

Incidentally, both events were solved by Wolverine time travelling. Lulz.

Ha, yeah, this post was worth waiting for. I needed a good laugh.

I think Cap's a great leader.

I think Cyclops as a character is set-up for even greater feats of leadership though. He's the de facto leader of a minority group constantly on the brink of extinction, and even in comics, there's always a sense that mutants are in a harder position than other heroes because they're hated, underdogs, etc.

The fact that he holds this position of unquestioned leadership despite Cap, Professor X, and others existing in the same universe I think is proof alone.

But, you know, agree to disagree or whatever.

Damn straight we disagree! 😉 😛

what about Batman? he's a great leader and a better strategist than cap too