Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
the only ultimate cap scan i used is just showing basic soldier equipment which was the flashbang scans and did you try to call civil war ultimate cap
I didn't say they were all Ultimate.....
So you have nothing, even though I summarised it nicely in three points, lol.
......And?
I didn't ask for proof of what soldiers carried in Ultimate Marvel, lol.
I asked for smoke and flashbangs together, of a level comparable to what Batman carries. Batman, who's able to disappear from people as they are speaking to him, able to sneak past the Spectre etc. WITHOUT tech, and who now uses tech. Plus showings against his other toys, don't care about what Taskmaster or whatever have ised, it needs to be similar and comparable to what Bats brings.
So far you have .....nothing, lol. And you challenged me to a BZ in PMs????
the point of the scan is to show common sense soldiers deal with things like flashbangs and smoke grenades constently
you should have been working for the government when they were talking about needing to remove cap but could not figure out how you should have been there to tell them just throw some smoke bombs and flashbangs at him that will do the trick
So you have zero scans of 616 Cap. Thanks.
I mean, common sense, right? It should be easy to find. Especially with your 30years of Marvel comic reading experience.
You forget, it's smoke thick enough that even top secret military grade thermal vision was unable to see through it.
But that's just the setup. Once Cap is blinded, THEN Batman can spam his toys.
wow yeah he was completely blind for an extended period and still tanked a steel club from a trained hitman he even later was able to crack 2 even more skilled assassins with his shield because his senses were so sharp he could tell where he was even without his eyes but your claiming just limiting his sight for a second or 2 is enough for Batman to beat him sure thing
he can counter a flame thrower but not a cable sure thing that makes sense
i am claiming his senses are good enough to tell where Batman is so he can avoid cables for a second or which i have proven so he stands to reason he can avoid cables being fired at him considering he thinks faster then even bullets so in review you have claimed a ridiculous and unreasonable scenario without providing any proof that he can pull it off in the middle of a physical confrontation with someone of caps level but i still humoured you and provided a reasonable way backed by evidence that cap could avoid it your welcome
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
i am claiming his senses are good enough to tell where Batman is so he can avoid cables for a second or which i have proven so he stands to reason he can avoid cables being fired at him considering he thinks faster then even bullets so in review you have claimed a ridiculous and unreasonable scenario without providing any proof that he can pull it off in the middle of a physical confrontation with someone of caps level but i still humoured you and provided a reasonable way backed by evidence that cap could avoid it your welcome
His senses weren't good enough to avoid a common criminal with a stick, lol.
Batman is stealthy enough to sneak up against the Spectre, WW, Zauriel and Superman. In broad daylight.
Lol.
You've proven...if anything, you've helped me.
his senses were good enough to pinpoint his location even with 0 visibility which is more than enough to reasonably assume he can avoid bats throwing a rope around him for a second or 2 especially considering bats would have the same low visibility which you would see if you were not trying to hold on for dear life to this ridiculous scenario that you did not even think all the way through i mean ok even if he grapple hooked him now he is a tug of war situation with somebody far stronger then him and as soon as he loosens his grip it would unravel lol
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I really do think you are retarded, lol.Firstly, I have been asking - again and again - for you to back your claims up with scans. Where are these scans of Cap dealing with smoke so thick, even thermal vision is useless? Of MULTIPLE flashbangs? Of BOTH smoke AND flashbangs TOGETHER?
Moreover, are you questioning Batman - the guy who is all about stealth and ambush - using ambush tactics? Lol. Do you read comics?
Secondly, read my post in this thread:
That was my post starting off this discussion. I even made reference to it in the post YOU just replied to, lol ('did you not put them in the city?'😉
These are YOUR stips:
I then followed up with MULTIPLE scans of Batman disappearing in broad daylight from view, even when people are staring right at him.
Thirdly, I posted scans of an entire group of Rocket Reds being pulled by a single - ONE - magnetic Batarang.
Here is a tiny little pellet that he used against an entire group of men. One pellet. It's not even bigger than a coin.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/3526287-batman03_006.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/12/120679/3526288-batman03_007.jpgYou're right, not all magnets are created equal. Batman's magnets are incredible.
That's assuming the shield is thrown. If it is NOT thrown, then he just gets grapple lined up. He can't dodge the cable, as he cannot see where it is coming from, thanks to the smoke etc (as you have provided ZERO scans of Cap doing so).
He cannot break the cable, as it has a 15-ton break limit, and Cap does not have that strength level - certainly not his side deltoids. As you have provided ZERO scans of Cap doing so.
I have provided MULTIPLE scans of everything I have claimed.
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
his senses were good enough to pinpoint his location even with 0 visibility which is more than enough to reasonably assume he can avoid bats throwing a rope around him for a second or 2 especially considering bats would have the same low visibility which you would see if you were not trying to hold on for dear life to this ridiculous scenario that you did not even think all the way through i mean ok even if he grapple hooked him now he is a tug of war situation with somebody far stronger then him and as soon as he loosens his grip it would unravel lol
Erm. No. See my scans. He wrapped it round the robot and pinned him.
Also......his cowl gives him super senses, lol.
I did think it all the way through, lol. Note how in my scan, even though the soldiers were unable to see him, he still attacked them and used batarangs.
Did you even look at my scans?
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
I mean let's think this through cap can think faster than bullets and his senses are good enough to pick out batmans location so i would assume they would be able to pick up bats shooting his grappling gun i think that is a reasonable assumption so why would he not just dive out of the way?
Cap'ss senses are NOT better than Superman's, or the Spectre, or WW, or Martian Manhunter.
All people he has snuck past and disappeared from.
Think.
Edit: wanna add, with those people I've just named, he didn't use his smoke or flashbangs. And was in broad daylight. And in some cases, was actually in front of them when he disappeared.
Yet now, a blinded Cap is going to do so, when the only scan we have of him has him unable to avoid a common Mook with a stick.
Originally posted by darthgoober
It's questionable as to whether or not magnets would work against Cap's shield. Back in the day even magneto was unable to affect it due to the shield's unique properties. He has since affected it, but I think that he did it sometime after one of Mag's power ups. I'm not outright saying that the magnet WOULDN'T work, just that it's questionable.
Correct, Steve's shield was immune to his powers in X-Men vs Avengers mini.
👆 back in the day, though, I thought Mags COULD affect it:
https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/1600/1*VY98NY23GnJRqZKK2CY-_w.jpeg
