Originally posted by juggerman
That's not an average showing for Goku. Do all of his hits shake the area he's in? Nope.
Frieza average is withstanding that hit, surviving planet Namek exploding on him (while near death and chopped in half) and he tanked Goku Kamehameha times 23 and his Kamehameha times 3 had enough power to shed earth. That's Frieza average and Goku was able to damage him. Don't think I need to go any further with this.
And Superman has survived planets colliding on him. Planets colliding>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Goku's kick.
And I'd like to point out that the kick is question is still a high showing. If you want to bring up what opponents can tank yet getting hurt by the hero, all you had to do was say it. Do I need to mention what Imperiex Probes tanked?
Originally posted by juggerman
And Superman has survived planets colliding on him. Planets colliding>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Goku's kick.And I'd like to point out that the kick is question is still a high showing. If you want to bring up what opponents can tank yet getting hurt by the hero, all you had to do was say it. Do I need to mention what Imperiex Probes tanked?
He did survive it but Frieza withstanding a blast that is 8 time more powerful than an earth destroying blast is greater. 🙂
And Goku still merked him with his fist, feet, and power output. Later versions of Goku would punch a hole clean through Frieza. Moral of the story, just because you have high showing doesn't mean Goku can not damage you. He damaged someone with planetary plus durability and at one point toyed with him. Goku base can hurt Superman and fully powered, put him down. Anything above his base outright kills Superman. Don't think you grasped this yet. The more powerful you are in DBZ, the harder it is to hurt that being. Roshi on his best day can't hurt Nappa, no matter how much moon busting power he has and the trends continue. Superman isn't tanking continuous moon busting and his fighting speed is no where close to a DBZ character. Glad I brought that up. What's Supermans best combat speed showing? Everyone has been trying to figure that out, even had a thread about it but we never could determine how fast he is combat wise. We know his acceleration speed but I'm talking about his reflexes. Provide scans proving this as well.
Originally posted by carver9
WTF. If it's a completely different character then they do not share fts. All star is an entirely different character.Also, the title of your thread doesn't say all fts are usable so I'm sticking with the opening of the thread, Goku vs Superman. Goku stomps.
i never put alimit on either character so all feats can be usedit says superman vs goku.
Originally posted by yungz22
i never put alimit on either character so all feats can be usedit says superman vs goku.
You didn't have too. Your opening post didn't say anything about all fts are available. You can not change a thread later on because things were not going the way you wanted it too. With that said, Goku stomps.
Originally posted by carver9
You didn't have too. Your opening post didn't say anything about all fts are available. You can not change a thread later on because things were not going the way you wanted it too. With that said, Goku stomps.
how is it changed? there were no limits on either characters to begin with? you sound stupid.
then someone asked and i said all feats can be used.
lol you say goku wins but dont bring any evidence to the table
So as seen in the Death Battle, Goku is a superb Energy Projection Fighter but Superman is vastly stronger, faster and more durable. They did a pretty good job and their research was far better and without the usual fanboy bias I read in this thread by some Goku fans. Get over it. Gokus is most likely a low to mid herald, no shame, it is his story he should be respected for and not the power level.
Gokus doesn't have the fans he needs tbh.
Originally posted by Sacred 117
I wouldn't say that. The loudest voices of a fanbase are just often the worst.
Maybe you are right, I started watching DBZ in the 90, I think around 92-94 dunno, back then my Friends and me were amazed and intrigued, it was a great show, though even then we knew by comparision that Goku is not quite on Supermans level, even Byrne, though very close as a SSJ to Byrnes Superman. The best Dragonball stories were however from his childhood, he rocked and is on of the best homages to Superman ever created.
Originally posted by yungz22
how is it changed? there were no limits on either characters to begin with? you sound stupid.then someone asked and i said all feats can be used.
lol you say goku wins but dont bring any evidence to the table
You didn't say all fts were available during the opening so it's a standard battle.
I already mentioned why Goku stomps.
Superman wins, without question. He is astronomically faster, stronger, smarter, and more durable--he's also got vastly superior stamina/power reserves. Goku has better energy output, but most of his notable energy attacks(ie. those that *might* have a shot at harming Supes to *any* degree) require power-up and/or charge time. Supes isn't going to just stand there and give him that time. Aside from that, Superman's HV has blocked/negated Darkseid's friggin Omega Beams in the past--doing the same to a Kamehameha isn't necessarily out of the question(or Supes could just, you know, dodge the attack outright) /shrug. Either way, Superman wins without too much trouble.
On a sidenote: I like how carver cherry-picks Goku's high-end feats exclusively, but when people mention a few of Superman's mid/high-level showings, he starts talking about "averages". Lol.
Like the way Galan debates...with that said...
Nothing short of a Nuke is hurting Wolverine.
Spiderman has the power to damage beings like Superman, Thor, Hulk (and he has the fts too)
Magneto could beat everyone short of Surfer by either opening a black hole around them or boiling their blood.
Nothing short of Galactus is beating Surfer since Surfer has ripped the soul from a being, turned to snow, head butted someone and destroyed moons and countless planets. Threw a blast the size of a star with one hand. Drained powers. The list goes on. He survived super novas, tanked Black holes, stopped time, went back in time. Withstood blows from beings as powerful as Galactus. The list goes on. I bet Galan wouldn't give Surfer 10/10 over Superman (he is clearly debating strictly off of high showings), no matter what Surfer is capable of or has done. For some strange reason, when it comes to anything outside of debates like this, Galan tends to debate strictly off comics. Knowing that it doesn't take what he is saying above to hurt Superman or Surfer.
Surfer has tanked black holes and Super Novas...would Galan come in here and say that Superman dishes out those type of attacks, so he would put Surfer down? Hell no because consistently, even though Hulk has walked through planetary forces with ease, we know it doesn't take that amount of power to damage him ON AVERAGE.
I've seen Galan debate and he only debates like that here.
Also, lol at Goku having to charge up an attack to hurt Superman.
Doctor Light dropped Superman in a single hit and his power output is nothing comparable to Goku.
Originally posted by Galan007
Superman wins, without question. He is astronomically faster, stronger, smarter, and more durable--he's also got vastly superior stamina/power reserves. Goku has better energy output, but most of his notable energy attacks(ie. those that *might* have a shot at harming Supes to *any* degree) require power-up and/or charge time. Supes isn't going to just stand there and give him that time. Aside from that, Superman's HV has blocked/negated Darkseid's friggin Omega Beams in the past--doing the same to a Kamehameha isn't necessarily out of the question(or Supes could just, you know, dodge the attack outright) /shrug. Either way, Superman wins without too much trouble.On a sidenote: I like how carver cherry-picks Goku's high-end feats exclusively, but when people mention a few of Superman's mid/high-level showings, he starts talking about "averages". Lol.
yea his attempts to change the thread in his favor is hilarious lol he literally made up rules outta nowhere. how are you gonna argue with the threadmaker about his own thread. no limits were put on either character and yet he says that there were.
goku and carver must be roomates sleeping in the same bed like bert and ernie because his goku fanboy levels are off the charts.
Originally posted by carver9
Like the way Galan debates...with that said...Nothing short of a Nuke is hurting Wolverine.
Spiderman has the power to damage beings like Superman, Thor, Hulk (and he has the fts too)
Magneto could beat everyone short of Surfer by either opening a black hole around them or boiling their blood.
Nothing short of Galactus is beating Surfer since Surfer has ripped the soul from a being, turned to snow, head butted someone and destroyed moons and countless planets. Threw a blast the size of a star with one hand. Drained powers. The list goes on. He survived super novas, tanked Black holes, stopped time, went back in time. Withstood blows from beings as powerful as Galactus. The list goes on. I bet Galan wouldn't give Surfer 10/10 over Superman (he is clearly debating strictly off of high showings), no matter what Surfer is capable of or has done. For some strange reason, when it comes to anything outside of debates like this, Galan tends to debate strictly off comics. Knowing that it doesn't take what he is saying above to hurt Superman or Surfer.Surfer has tanked black holes and Super Novas...would Galan come in here and say that Superman dishes out those type of attacks, so he would put Surfer down? Hell no because consistently, even though Hulk has walked through planetary forces with ease, we know it doesn't take that amount of power to damage him ON AVERAGE.
I've seen Galan debate and he only debates like that here.
Also, lol at Goku having to charge up an attack to hurt Superman.
Doctor Light dropped Superman in a single hit and his power output is nothing comparable to Goku.
Caver, Galan has crushed your argument.