Darth Bane Vs Obi-Wan Kenobi

Originally posted by NewGuy01
No, they can't.

Yes, they could. I can probably name 10 from just the Swtor era off the top of my head.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
No, he doesn't.

Allow me some hyperbole here, please.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
No, he can't.

I think he can. With some effort and without Skywalker breathing down his neck, I'm sure it's within his capabilities.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
No, he isn't.

He lifted him clean off his feet and tossed him into a wall. A mere step above that would be Maul choking him out like in that comic.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
No, they can't.

Bro, come on. 😬

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Yes, yes he is.

Thanks.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Oh please, Zannah could flick off his lightning with the back end of her staff. If nothing else he can dodge it.

As if Obi-Wan is in any way comparable to Zannah in Force power. And Bane's can attack with full on Force Storms that cook giant monsters and have dozens of forks, I doubt he's side-stepping that.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Kas'im could, and he's hardly the Force User that Obi-Wan is.

Debatable. And Kas'im only blocked a small part of a Force Wave.

Yes, they could. I can probably name 10 from just the Swtor era off the top of my head.

That would be the problem, wouldn't it?

Allow me some hyperbole here, please.

No. 😛

I think he can. With some effort and without Skywalker breathing down his neck, I'm sure it's within his capabilities.

Only problem is that Kenobi's breathing down his neck. He would need to create an opening in the lightsaber combat to get a chance to make such a move.

Bro, come on. 😬

If Vader could have just flicked him away in ANH, he would have.

And Bane's can attack with full on Force Storms that cook giant monsters and have dozens of forks, I doubt he's side-stepping that.

I thought we were discussing DoE Bane?

Debatable. And Kas'im only blocked a small part of a Force Wave.

So? Kenobi can also block "a small part of a force wave" and survive, unless there's a temple sitting around on Ambria to fall on his head.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
That would be the problem, wouldn't it?

I think very small, 10 people is a lot for me. You should learn to be more sensitive to my personality differences.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
No. 😛

:C

Regardless, Obi-Wan is beaten up with the Force an awful lot. Sure, he usually fights powerhouses, but most of the people in these versus threads are powerhouses.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Only problem is that Kenobi's breathing down his neck. He would need to create an opening in the lightsaber combat to get a chance to make such a move.

But if he had that chance he could one-shot him with TK, right?

Originally posted by NewGuy01
If Vader could have just flicked him away in ANH, he would have.

Not sure I agree with that. Do you think Kenobi could resist Marek? I rather think he'd get buttbanged hard and I underrate Marek lots. But I was talking about RotJ Vader.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
I thought we were discussing DoE Bane?

You don't think DoE Bane is capable of such things?

Originally posted by NewGuy01
So? Kenobi can also block "a small part of a force wave" and survive, unless there's a temple sitting around on Ambria to fall on his head.

Or Bane can focus the attack into a smaller strike.

:C

😈

Regardless, Obi-Wan is beaten up with the Force an awful lot. Sure, he usually fights powerhouses, but most of the people in these versus threads are powerhouses.

It's not really that true, though. The thing with Ventress was a one off, Maul's feat on Florrum was hardly a game-changing card, and Dooku's only ragdolled him once.

But if he had that chance he could one-shot him with TK, right?

Sure, but that's not a one shot.

But I was talking about RotJ Vader.

Vader doesn't have any post-ANH TK feats of note, it's mostly just his blade work he improves on.

You don't think DoE Bane is capable of such things?

Who knows, but he didn't do anything of the sort against Zannah in the stone prison.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Lol, loads of people can one-shot Obi-Wan. He has stupidly bad Force-defenses. Dooku can and Maul is on the cusp. Someone like Revan, Vader or Malgus could accomplish it comfortably. And Bane is certainly in their leagues. Obi-Wan hasn't demonstrated the power to block lightning capable of disintegrating multiple people. Nor has be demonstrated the TK necessary to survive Bane throwing out a temple-buster.

Kindly prove that Obi-Wan "has stupidly bad Force-defenses." The fact that Dooku and Maul, each regarded as some of the best Sith ever, can bypass them isn't evidence of that. Bane's orbalisk/nexus feats aren't relevant to me. And Bane isn't in Dooku's league, let alone Sidious's.

Originally posted by Nephthys
And while you were never a big fan, you've previously admitted that Bane can give Sidious and Yoda a good fight. But now he's so far below they can one-shot him? Ridiculous. You my friend have truly gone senile in your absence.

You desperately need this.

Originally posted by Trocity
You're not actually saying Maul>Bane, are you?

I am.

Maul is confirmed by various sources as being one of the deadliest Sith Lords ever, to say nothing of some truly impressive feats. Bane's got some cool feats, but is at the tail end of the Rule of Two, and lacks such confirmation of status.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Kindly prove that Obi-Wan "has stupidly bad Force-defenses." The fact that Dooku and Maul, each regarded as some of the best Sith ever, can bypass them isn't evidence of that.

Originally posted by WildBantha88
He has been Force choked no less than 6 times (and i may be missing one) in the span of three years. And it wasn't JUST dooku and Maul. Savage and Ventress both got to wrap their invisible fingers around his neck too.

Dooku and Maul are among the greatest all time Sith. When did Savage choke him? Ventress, who's talented enough to duke it out with members of the Jedi Council at "the prime of the Jedi," throttled him and Anakin in an outlier moment of extreme rage. It's clearly not reflective of her natural ability anymore than Savage throttling Ventress and Dooku at the same time is a reflection of his.

That Obi-Wan is susceptible to defeat from major powerhouses doesn't mean his Force defenses suck.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Kindly prove that Obi-Wan "has stupidly bad Force-defenses." The fact that Dooku and Maul, each regarded as some of the best Sith ever, can bypass them isn't evidence of that. Bane's orbalisk/nexus feats aren't relevant to me. And Bane isn't in Dooku's league, let alone Sidious's.

And Bane isn't among the best Sith ever in your opinion? I'm not concerned with how relevant you seem to think his feats are. Bane's temple smashing proves that he's far above Kenobi and he's capable of disintegration outside of a nexus with his lightning.

You must truly think the BoD era sucks ass. Bane was head and shoulders above the rest of the Sith of his time yet he's barely moderately powerful compared to the PT era.

Originally posted by The_Tempest

You desperately need this.

I'm just looking for an opportunity to talk to you. :C

Originally posted by The_Tempest
I am.

Maul is confirmed by various sources as being one of the deadliest Sith Lords ever, to say nothing of some truly impressive feats. Bane's got some cool feats, but is at the tail end of the Rule of Two, and lacks such confirmation of status.

Bane is the Sith'ari though, stated to have "perfect strength, perfect power."

Originally posted by Nephthys
And Bane isn't among the best Sith ever in your opinion?

Not from a power/skill standpoint, no. From an achievement/philosophy/whatever standpoint, he's top 5.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I'm not concerned with how relevant you seem to think his feats are.

...You clearly are, since you're responding to my thoughts on the matter.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Bane's temple smashing proves that he's far above Kenobi and he's capable of disintegration outside of a nexus with his lightning.

Bane smashed a temple on a nexus and I believe Bane only disintegrated shiz with orbalisks.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Bane is the Sith'ari though, stated to have "perfect power."

Pretty sure perfect power doesn't lose a fight or die. I'm going to need something a bit more concrete with respect to status than that. No one cares about Anakin's power because he's the Chosen One; people care about his power because of his midi-chlorian count.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Not from a power/skill standpoint, no. From an achievement/philosophy/whatever standpoint, he's top 5.

LOL! Bane has the chops to be one of the best Sith ever, you're just shitting on him like a fooo-el.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
...You clearly are, since you're responding to my thoughts on the matter.

I care about your overall opinion, not which feats you decide to take into account.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Bane smashed a temple on a nexus and I believe Bane only disintegrated shiz with orbalisks.

So what if it was on a nexus, it was Bane far from his prime and it was gigantic. Even if the nexus contributed half of the energy he used it would still be a feat worthy of one-shotting "Limp-force-wrist" Kenobi.

And no Bane disintegrated shiz in DoE without the orbalisks, disintegrating rock and a stun-net with lightning and was stated to have been capable of disintegrating 4 people with lightning if it wasn't for Cognus blunting his power and he disintegrated metal with TK as well.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Pretty sure perfect power doesn't lose a fight or die. I'm going to need something a bit more concrete with respect to status than that. No one cares about Anakin's power because he's the Chosen One; people care about his power because of his midi-chlorian count.

Pretty sure Bane did both though, so I guess you're wrong? Regardless the Sith'ari is obviously a being on immense power. And don't you think Anakin is the Chosen One partly because of his midi-chlorian count? I think it's pretty connected, as well as with him being born from the Force itself. I mean, the Sith'ari prophecy is about a being being the reincarnation of King Adas, who recieved the title of Sith'ari due to his incredible battle prowess. The Sith'ari was prophecised to be a "perfect being".

Originally posted by Nephthys
LOL! Bane has the chops to be one of the best Sith ever, you're just shitting on him like a fooo-el.

Not really. 😬

Originally posted by Nephthys
I care about your overall opinion, not which feats you decide to take into account.

...Which is why we're discussing which feats I take into account? facepalm

Originally posted by Nephthys
So what if it was on a nexus, it was Bane far from his prime and it was gigantic. Even if the nexus contributed half of the energy he used it would still be a feat worthy of one-shotting "Limp-force-wrist" Kenobi.

We have no way of concluding how much energy was afforded by the nexus. Could have provided 5% or 97%. Hence why such things are disregarded.

Originally posted by Nephthys
And no Bane disintegrated shiz in DoE without the orbalisks, disintegrating rock and a stun-net with lightning and was stated to have been capable of disintegrating 4 people with lightning if it wasn't for Cognus blunting his power and he disintegrated metal with TK as well.

Excerpt?

Originally posted by Nephthys
Pretty sure Bane did both though, so I guess you're wrong?

Pretty sure we've established, then, that this is hyperbole. Or perhaps Bane's power was perfect... in its mediocrity.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Regardless the Sith'ari is obviously a being on immense power.

Immense power relative to whom? I'm not arguing Bane's a weak feeb; he's certainly not.

Originally posted by Nephthys
And don't you think Anakin is the Chosen One partly [b]because of his midi-chlorian count? I think it's pretty connected, as well as with him being born from the Force itself. [/B]

His special destiny is irrelevant with respect to power, only in terms of importance. Bane is important in the grand scheme of things, not with respect to power. What makes him powerful is his midi-chlorian count and raw potential, not his Messiah status. Kinda like Harry Potter being the chosen one doesn't really make him special in the grand scheme of things with respect to dueling or fighting.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Not really. 😬

As I said, Bane was head and shoulders above his era. It doesn't make sense for him not to be one of the greatest Sith or all time.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
...Which is why we're discussing which feats I take into account? facepalm

Yeah, you tricked me into discussing it by challenging my absolute statements about his feats supremacy. You bast*rd.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
We have no way of concluding how much energy was afforded by the nexus. Could have provided 5% or 97%. Hence why such things are disregarded.

It's retarded to even consider than its anything over 50%. Even that is laughable.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Excerpt?

"He didn't stay down, however. He sprang back to his feet, simultaneously drawing his lightsaber with his right hand as he sent a blast of lightning out from the fingertips of his left. The violet bolts should have incinerated all four of his targets on the balcony, yet again the strange power interfering with his ability to draw upon the Force hindered his efforts."

"The Iktotchi landed just as Bane unleashed a wave of crackling electricity that burned away the webbing of the tangle guns."

Note that Bane is exhausted and wounded from the very start of this fight. He also casually blocks half a dozen stun grenades.

"As she gathered herself to charge, Bane fired off another bolt of lightning. She ducked to the side and it whizzed past her ear, striking the wall and sending up a shower of dust and stone flecks.

Despite missing her the first time, Bane followed it up with another blast on the exact same trajectory. Turning her head to follow the course of the misguided bolt, Zannah saw where the first had hit the wall. The stone had been disintegrated in a fist-sized hole, revealing something that looked like bright red plastic beneath it."

"Then he began to gather the power of the Force. An instant later the cuffs on his wrists and ankles shattered, exploding into a million pieces at a mere thought from Bane."

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Immense power relative to whom? I'm not arguing Bane's a weak feeb; he's certainly not.

I editted in a big spiel about Bane being the reincarnation of King Adas.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
His special destiny is irrelevant with respect to power, only in terms of importance. Bane is important in the grand scheme of things, not with respect to power. What makes him powerful is his midi-chlorian count and raw potential, not his Messiah status. Kinda like Harry Potter being the chosen one doesn't really make him special in the grand scheme of things with respect to dueling or fighting.

Doesn't that contradict the Mortis arc? "Only the Chosen One could have tamed my children like that" and everything? Anakin clearly does have a special strength due to his status.

Also, in the Book of Sith the Sith'ari is translated as "god of the Sith". 😉

Originally posted by Nephthys
As I said, Bane was head and shoulders above his era. It doesn't make sense for him not to be one of the greatest Sith or all time.

Again, no one's saying he's a weak feeb. No one's saying he's not in the Top 50, which is pretty impressive when you consider the millions upon millions of Sith that have ever existed. But he's not in the big leagues as far as I'm concerned.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Yeah, you tricked me into discussing it by challenging my absolute statements about his feats supremacy. You bast*rd.

I'm clever like that.

Originally posted by Nephthys
It's retarded to even consider than its anything over 50%. Even that is laughable.

Not really.

Originally posted by Nephthys
"He didn't stay down, however. He sprang back to his feet, simultaneously drawing his lightsaber with his right hand as he sent a blast of lightning out from the fingertips of his left. The violet bolts should have incinerated all four of his targets on the balcony, yet again the strange power interfering with his ability to draw upon the Force hindered his efforts."

"The Iktotchi landed just as Bane unleashed a wave of crackling electricity that burned away the webbing of the tangle guns."

Note that Bane is exhausted and wounded from the very start of this fight. He also casually blocks half a dozen stun grenades.

"As she gathered herself to charge, Bane fired off another bolt of lightning. She ducked to the side and it whizzed past her ear, striking the wall and sending up a shower of dust and stone flecks.

Despite missing her the first time, Bane followed it up with another blast on the exact same trajectory. Turning her head to follow the course of the misguided bolt, Zannah saw where the first had hit the wall. The stone had been disintegrated in a fist-sized hole, revealing something that looked like bright red plastic beneath it."

"Then he began to gather the power of the Force. An instant later the cuffs on his wrists and ankles shattered, exploding into a million pieces at a mere thought from Bane."

That's pretty cool.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I editted in a big spiel about Bane being the reincarnation of King Adas.

Ok?

Originally posted by Nephthys
Doesn't that contradict the Mortis arc? "Only the Chosen One could have tamed my children like that" and everything? Anakin clearly does have a special strength due to his status.

Anakin has special strength because he was born of the Force and has an unparalleled midi-chlorian count. The title is irrelevant, as is that of the Sith'ari in anything other than a philosophical context.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
I'm not going to get into it with you, carthage. Not sure why you're posting feats from the RotS video game, do those actually happen anywhere else? And while TKing B1 droids is the definition of impressive, by which I mean is the single, undisputed, clearly, and maybe even near godly, most impressive thing you can do with TK besides levitating fruit, Kenobi's been doing that since TPM. Everyone has. Saying Obi-Wan held off Skywalker doesn't mean anything really when the state Anakin was in at the time. I like the double standard set here when the most impressive feat Kenobi has is defeating non-Force Sensitive Grievous, after hacking off half his arms. Finally, I like how you go on and on about unamped Bane, but considering Fated didn't say which Bane this was, I'm going to assume Orbalisk, and not really care what he can't do without them.

I accept your concession then.

And while TKing B1 droids is the definition of impressive, by which I mean is the single, undisputed, clearly, and maybe even near godly, most impressive thing you can do with TK besides levitating fruit, Kenobi's been doing that since TPM.

Nice lowballing bro. Bane has never done anything surpassing that off nexus, unless you considering killing random guards with basic force pushes superior to the feats I listed.

Saying Obi-Wan held off Skywalker doesn't mean anything really when the state Anakin was in at the time.

Lol Obi wan held his own due to thousands of hours of sparring/and because the two knew each others style. Did Anakin's mindset prevent him from winning a victory, yes, was the fight PIS/plot armor yes, but Bane would get wtfpwned by Anakin as well and has no dueling feats to compete with either Jedi:

Blade-to-blade, they were identical. After thousands of hours in lightsaber sparring, they knew each other better than brothers, more intimately than lovers; they were complementary halves of a single warrior.

-ROTS novelization

..when the most impressive feat Kenobi has is defeating non-Force Sensitive Grievous, after hacking off half his arms

And I like how you don't bring up anything Bane has done off nexus that is superior to that feat 👆. Grievous is a better duelist than either Bane or Zanah, and Kenobi defeated him. Who has Bane beaten that is better than Grievous?

Finally, I like how you go on and on about unamped Bane, but considering Fated didn't say which Bane this was, I'm going to assume Orbalisk, and not really care what he can't do without them.

I don't care about Bane's nexus feats, they aren't examples of his true power, as he plainly couldn't replicate anything he ever did on Lehon, Korriban, or Dxun. Fated's inability to specify which Bane this is doesn't matter, as I never questioned that loser who needs Crab armor Bane would beat Kenobi.

Lol, loads of people can one-shot Obi-Wan. He has stupidly bad Force-defenses. Dooku can and Maul is on the cusp. Someone like Revan, Vader or Malgus could accomplish it comfortably. And Bane is certainly in their leagues. Obi-Wan hasn't demonstrated the power to block lightning capable of disintegrating multiple people. Nor has be demonstrated the TK necessary to survive Bane throwing out a temple-buster.

Bane is not in the leagues of Krayt, Malgus, Maul, Kun, or even Savage. All of them have superior feats of destruction to Bane, Bane couldn't even dominate Zannah with TK so you're making a stupid leap of faith saying he can. Bane's best TK feats off nexus are killing fodder guards, there is no reason to believe he can penetrate Kenobi's defenses when he never did it to Zannah.

And Bane is certainly in their leagues. Obi-Wan hasn't demonstrated the power to block lightning capable of disintegrating multiple people. Nor has be demonstrated the TK necessary to survive Bane throwing out a temple-buster.

Bane destroyed the Temple on a darkside nexus 👆. He's also never encountered TK in a battle, and Kenobi has superior feats to unamped Non nexus Bane so guess who the burden of proof is to suggest he could ragdoll Kenobi?

And while you were never a big fan, you've previously admitted that Bane can give Sidious and Yoda a good fight. But now he's so far below they can one-shot him? Ridiculous. You my friend have truly gone senile in your absence.

Bane would get blitzed by either Sidious or Yoda 👆, he would lose to anyone that is a tier 8 or 9 duelist.

As I said, Bane was head and shoulders above his era. It doesn't make sense for him not to be one of the greatest Sith or all time.

It does when no one in Bane's era is particularly remarkable

It's retarded to even consider than its anything over 50%. Even that is laughable.

Tempest is right to assume that the nexus played apart in Bane's feats. Again, Bane has never demonstrated a similar level of destructive ability off of Lehon, Dxun, or Korriban. Unless you think breaking boxes, tents, and hurling couches is an equivalent and or close feat to something he could do on a nexus 👆

I editted in a big spiel about Bane being the reincarnation of King Adas.

=Karpashyn wank

Pretty sure Bane did both though, so I guess you're wrong? Regardless the Sith'ari is obviously a being on immense power. And don't you think Anakin is the Chosen One partly because of his midi-chlorian count? I think it's pretty connected, as well as with him being born from the Force itself. I mean, the Sith'ari prophecy is about a being being the reincarnation of King Adas, who recieved the title of Sith'ari due to his incredible battle prowess. The Sith'ari was prophecised to be a "perfect being".

ALL HAIL BANE THE SHITHARI WHOSE ONLY VICTORY IN SABERS IS AGAINST A KORRIBAN SITH TRAINEE!. Lol. His immense "battle prowess" is one dueling feat against a Sith trainee, Kenobi has fought the best duelists of his time and held his own with them. Bane has no feats to compare in dueling, his lightning can be absorbed by a lightsaber, and he is demonstrably slower (based on the feats I listed), and there is no reason his pathetic TK feats could penetrate his shield.

I win

Originally posted by carthage
I accept your concession then.

Nice lowballing bro. Bane has never done anything surpassing that off nexus, unless you considering killing random guards with basic force pushes superior to the feats I listed.

Lol Obi wan held his own due to thousands of hours of sparring/and because the two knew each others style. Did Anakin's mindset prevent him from winning a victory, yes, was the fight PIS/plot armor yes, but Bane would get wtfpwned by Anakin as well and has no dueling feats to compete with either Jedi:

And I like how you don't bring up anything Bane has done off nexus that is superior to that feat 👆. Grievous is a better duelist than either Bane or Zanah, and Kenobi defeated him. Who has Bane beaten that is better than Grievous?

I don't care about Bane's nexus feats, they aren't examples of his true power, as he plainly couldn't replicate anything he ever did on Lehon, Korriban, or Dxun. Fated's inability to specify which Bane this is doesn't matter, as I never questioned that loser who needs Crab armor Bane would beat Kenobi.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
but considering Fated didn't say which Bane this was, I'm going to assume Orbalisk

If Orbalisk being Bane's peak is the general consensus here, then yeah, you right to assume that.