Darth Bane Vs Obi-Wan Kenobi

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Sinious Yo Da Best
Originally posted by carthage
No its not dimwit, he's been on this forum longer than Intrepid. He isnt a spck of him unless Jack has been arguing SW since 2008. Kurupt just recognizes Nephs laughable fanboyism of Bane

LMAO I didnt even read what he said. I just remember Intrepid saying he loves Kurupt the rapper so I assumed that was him.

Nephthys The Gr8est!!!!!!!!
Originally posted by NewGuy01
It's not really that true, though. The thing with Ventress was a one off, Maul's feat on Florrum was hardly a game-changing card, and Dooku's only ragdolled him once.

I'm sure he's been chumped more than that.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Sure, but that's not a one shot.

If you can beat someone with one Force attack, how is that not a one-shot?

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Vader doesn't have any post-ANH TK feats of note, it's mostly just his blade work he improves on.

I fought he got more powerful after ANH. That's what Lord Stark says and I like his avatar so like come the **** on???

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Who knows, but he didn't do anything of the sort against Zannah in the stone prison.

But he filled an entire library with a Force storm an hour after learning the technique. 😬

Emperordmb LSDMB

Originally posted by carthage
Ive humiliated you in every Bane thread youve ever posted in, kiddo.

Are you kidding me? It's possible for two people to debate opposite sides or hold opposite viewpoints and still respect each other. With you however, nobody who doesn't hold a viewpoint congruent to yours has any respect for you, and the only times anyone actually compliments you, it is for use in using you as a standard against which bad things are compared to insult others.

Originally posted by carthage
Bane has no feats to compare

You ignore every feat and accolade for Bane I provide you with, even if it is directly supported by the text, through use of double standards (which I will address later), the nexus argument (which also ties into the double standards I will address later), and the use of certain diction to undermine Bane's feats while hyping those of his opponents. For example, when Kenobi slowly bends Grievous's chestplate open, you claim he "ripped it open," but when the text explicitly says he ripped a durasteel door open (which he did while drugged), you refer to it as him "just moving" the durasteel door. Or when Bane reduces the internal organs of guards to pulp with a telekinetic wave (also while drugged), you refer to it as him "rubbing the insides of guards."

Originally posted by carthage
the only reason I even respond to your posts anymore at all is to further discredit you from the few posters on this site that arent contaminated by fanboyism like your or Neph.

So you are doing this specifically to spite me? Even when I don't make a post or don't respond to one of your posts you continue to try and bait me, same with Neph. That is not what a legitimate debater does, that is what a troll and a flamer does.

Originally posted by carthage
lmao, what double standards

Where do I begin?! Let's see...
The nexus argument is a major one. You harp on the nexus argument for the characters you hate and claim they are incapable of their feats without nexuses, yet when it's Kun who was on a nexus, "he could've done it without a nexus" or "there's no proof the nexus was the source of his power." Or how about the fact that you harp on Bane's "nexus feats" in versus threads, but when he has access to them you say "oh he can't use it to his advantage."

Another main one that I've noticed is how you arbitrarily express different points of view on the outcomes of fights in Bane's era, based on which character you are currently trying to lowball. Whenever you are lowballing Bane you say "he got his ass kicked by Kas'im" but when you are lowballing Kas'im, you say "he got his ass kicked by trainee Bane." When lowballing Bane you say "he got trashed by Zannah," but when lowballing Zannah you say "she couldn't even beat him without a nexus."

You also frequently harp on Bane's capture at the hands of the Huntress and a squad of mercenaries, however let's not forget that Bane lost to them after putting up a fight in less favorable circumstances than Dooku or Maul lost to the pirates, or than Grievous lost to the Gungans.

Originally posted by carthage
you mean your inability to bring up superior feats for Bane in the face of superior characters?

A lot of Kenobi's ROTS feats you bring up for him are directly contradicted by the movie for one. But I could chalk that up to your other examples of ignoring canon, such as when you refer to characters as "weak" "trash" "fodder" "shit" and "pathetic," even though they have been canonically referred to as very powerful.

We all can lowball Carthage. There are quite a few things I could point out about Kenobi and some of the other PT Jedi. For example, I could say that Maul and Dooku losing to pirates was pathetic. I could say that Anakin not immediately destroying clovis in a fistfight is pathetic. I could say that Maul not destroying Sugi in a fistfight, and failing to cut her down as she lay on the ground defenseless as he slashed at her like a rabid animal pathetic. I could say Obi-wan getting his ass kicked by two death watch members is pathetic. I could say Anakin and Obi-wan struggling with holding up a crystal while working in tandem is pathetic.

You also make the claim that Bane only being able to kill non force sensitives with TK blasts is pathetic. I find it interesting that Bane's force waves consistently kill their targets and completely **** up their internal organs, even when he's not at his peak or when he's drugged. On Oba Diah, when Dooku unleashed a force wave, or when Anakin and Obi-wan unleashed a force wave in tandem, it knocked over the Pykes, but they still managed to stand up less than a minute later. So their telekinetic waves, unlike Bane's, aren't even lethal.

Bane's power with the force was also such that he was only considered to be safely imprisoned with the use of drugs to prevent him from using his force powers, while the likes of Dooku, Maul, Anakin, and Obi-wan can be confined and imprisoned successfully without the use of drugs to dull their force powers.

Or I could also address the fact that Bane was fending off Zannah while unarmed and drugged, while Anakin was fleeing from a droid and a subpar bounty hunter while drugged, with Cad Bane remarking that he's not so dangerous without his lightsaber.

Originally posted by carthage
Go away you aren't even apart of this discussion

Seeing as you do much of the stuff you do to spite me, especially regarding Bane, I don't see how I'm not a part of this discussion when you have gone to such pains to draw me in.

Nephthys The Gr8est!!!!!!!!
Originally posted by Emperordmb
Carthage's constant use of double standards, gross under-exaggeration of Bane's feats, and viewpoints on Bane's fights that arbitrarily change based on which character he's trying to lowball make him not worth my time.

Goddamn it, you always let him bait you. 🙁

Sinious Yo Da Best

@ EmperorDMB

Nice post 👆

NewGuy01 perpetual
Originally posted by Nephthys
Goddamn it, you always let him bait you. 🙁

👆 Every single time.

Nephthys The Gr8est!!!!!!!!
Originally posted by The_Tempest
Not really.

Seriously, how can you justify suggesting it doubled his power? Thats really really dumb.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
That's pretty cool.

He also melts blasters with an ionic storm at one point.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Ok?

I'm very proud of it.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Anakin has special strength because he was born of the Force and has an unparalleled midi-chlorian count. The title is irrelevant, as is that of the Sith'ari in anything other than a philosophical context.

And he was born of the Force with an unparallelled force connection to be the Chosen One. His strength is directly tied into his status.

The Sith'ari can be translated as "God of the Sith" and was stated to be a being of perfect strength and power. It's not merely a philosophical context, its an ancient prophecy about the ultimate Sith. For Bane to be the Sith'ari, that means he must possess the qualities of the Sith'ari, which are immense strength and power. Afterall, the prophecy was made of the guy who'd be the reincarnation of Adas, whose whole schtick was being this unbeatable badass who curbstomped the Rakata.

NewGuy01 perpetual

KuRuPT is back! LOL this is going to be awesome.

carthage PLEASE PROTECT ME STONES

Nephs Bane wank is immense, for being the "Shithari" all Bane has ever done is kill fodder non force sensitives. Lmao. Bane is the weakest of the Dark lords by far in terms of his force feats

Nephthys The Gr8est!!!!!!!!

What about Ajunta Pall? Dude doesn't even have force feats.

Kaan is a Dark Lord too, is Bane weaker than him?

Also what about Zannah? Is Bane far weaker than her too?

NewGuy01 perpetual

That's not true. I mean, that Force rub seemed pretty effective.

carthage PLEASE PROTECT ME STONES

They lack showings to compare. Bane is stronger than them by default, also Banes force rub is pathetic and just proof he loves beating up guys that cant defend themselves. Put Bane in a ring with Malgus, Revan, Kun, Krayt, Maul, or Vader and when he's trying to rub their insides, they humiliate him by being better than him in combat

NewGuy01 perpetual
I'm sure he's been chumped more than that.

Nope, that's it. The only other instance was on Mandalore, and Kenobi was injured & had only realized Maul was present a half second beforehand, no time to put up defenses.

If you can beat someone with one Force attack, how is that not a one-shot?

Kenobi halved Maul with a single strike in TPM, but I would never say Obi-Wan could one-shot Maul.

I fought he got more powerful after ANH. That's what Lord Stark says and I like his avatar so like come the **** on???

In RotJ he mentioned he was at the peak of his power, but that doesn't really suggest notable increase from ANH, so no.

But he filled an entire library with a Force storm an hour after learning the technique. 😬

He also unleashed one in the Stone Prison, but it wasn't of the caliber his RoT one was.

Nephthys The Gr8est!!!!!!!!

Zannah was the Dark Lord too you know.

carthage PLEASE PROTECT ME STONES

Zannah is also inferior to everyone I mentioned. 👆

Nephthys The Gr8est!!!!!!!!

But you said Bane is the weakest of the Dark lords by far in terms of his force feats.

So is he far weaker than Zannah?

carthage PLEASE PROTECT ME STONES

I think he is above her personally, again she had a circumstantial victory through usage of the Ambrian nexus. But she was never anything more than he was to begin with, unless you think that beating Harth was better than Bane beating Sirak. Her force feats as Rain indicate a lot of raw potential, but Karpashyn never fully explored how far she could take it

Nephthys The Gr8est!!!!!!!!

So you were wrong?

Nargaroth Senior Member

Kenobi takes the saber part without too much effort. For the Force part, Kenobi will receive the Ventress treatment.

Nephthys The Gr8est!!!!!!!!

You think Kenobi can beat Orbalisk Bane in sabers without much effort?