Useless team member cut

Originally posted by SquallX
Batman is pretty damn useless actually. The JL doesn't need Batman to command anything. Batman is there just to be there and forcing PIS?CIS into the scenario to make him worth something.

Nothing Bruce can come up with that Wonder Woman can't come up with. What's even worse is that Diana is a warrior breed to do combat. Especially in the NDCU, where she learned combat from the God Of War himself.

So tell me, what does Batman have strategic wise against the God Of War himself, or her pupil?

Financing. Well, I guess Luthor has stepped up to the role, but previously, Wayne Enteprises funded the JLA.

Not to mention, he gave a human perspective into big threats that still had an element of human psychology in them. Morrison's Rock of Ages storyline is a good example of this. Even Manhunter, for all of his detective skills, is nowhere near as good as Bruce at intuiting the human mind and its motivations.

Batman doesn't bring anything to the team that isn't already there.

Originally posted by golem370
Batman doesn't bring anything to the team that isn't already there.

Someone's killed Orion. Who would you call?

The farmboy?
The Amazon?
Maybe the airforce jock with the wishing ring?

DCnU.
Things are a bit better now. We have Cyborg, who can scan the entire area effortlessly, patch into any database, etc etc.

But who would you actually trust to formulate strategies and tactics?

WW? Sure. But she has NOT done any of the legwork Give her a tactical problem, and sure, she could, as Goddess of War, work some strategy out, then send the others to gather what's necessary.

Batman has ALREADY done it. THAT'S what he brings to the table. His preparedness. It's the difference between having Einstein working out a maths problem for your team, and having a guy who cheated and already stole the answers before the test.

Anybody can do what he does you argument is he does it but if he wasn't there any number of members could recon plan and what ever else he does.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_OCpTbQvUk

lol at a compliment and little bit of a put down too from Superman

Originally posted by golem370
Anybody can do what he does you argument is he does it but if he wasn't there any number of members could recon plan and with ever else he does.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_OCpTbQvUk

Exactly. He does it. Flash could EASILY do it. But Barry is too naive. Superman could do it, too. But he won't. Neither would WW. Aquaman would do it...but he can't. Cyborg could also do it.....but he won't. GL? Lol. Hal sneaking about, compiling dossiers...yeah, right.

No one else does. There's all the ooh, so and so could do this, and so and so could do that....

But at the end of the day, know what actually matters? That it got done. Arguing off powersets is all fine and dandy, but at the end of the day, he has the character and the strength of will to do what the others wouldn't.

I am not talking about power set I am talking about is skills tech and smarts for one Batman doesn't have a power set lol

Originally posted by golem370
I am not talking about power set I am talking about is skills tech and smarts for one Batman doesn't have a power set lol

Lol they fall under 'powers'. Well, powers and abilities.

None of the other JLAers would do what he does. And thinks like he does. You can be the smartest guy in the room, but to out maneuver Lex Luthor? Sure, the others can obliterate him with a thought, or out build him in tech, or whatever - but Batman is the one who'd take him down.

Another example, canon as well, is with the new Power Ring. Sure, Cyborg could hack the ring (he's done it). Superman could punch her face off. Flash could outreact her, WW could slice it off her, etc etc.

Batman talked her down, before Lex could get his hands on it. Without killing her (which the ring was going to do).

Or Superman could grab her and removed the ring. Abilities not powers

Originally posted by golem370
Or Superman could grab her and removed the ring. Abilities not powers

Lol. Removing the ring, against her will, would have killed her. Congratulations, you've just condemned an innocent girl to die.

She had to give it up willingly.

You've just shown exactly why you need a Batman. Lol. Grab it off her indeed.

Btw, Deathlok/Cyborg. Awaiting you.

If she couldn't have been talked down then Batman would came up with a plain to kill her.

Originally posted by golem370
If she couldn't have been talked down then Batman would came up with a plain to kill her.

OK?

That sounds an awful lot like PIS, IE most of the team had the ability to remove the ring....but the plot required Batman's plan to be the only "right" way.

Originally posted by SquallX
That's PIS/CIS. Especially when it concerns Marvel. The guy has the wisdom of Solomon, yet a mere human can out perform him?

It's comics. Mere mortals (Like Reed or Adam Warlock) outperform "God" all the time.

Also, Wisdom of Solomon is usually portrayed as an active power. Billy has to access it to gain wisdom.

Originally posted by Silent Master
That sounds an awful lot like PIS, IE most of the team had the ability to remove the ring....but the plot required Batman's plan to be the only "right" way.

IOW, because it was a plot point that couldn't be punched, its stupid?

Originally posted by cdtm
It's comics. Mere mortals (Like Reed or Adam Warlock) outperform "God" all the time.

Talking someone down is hardly a new or obscure tactic, it's not like Batman is the only one smart enough to think of it. without him there one of the other characters could have easily come up with it and nobody would be even blinked.

To be honest, talking someone down sounds more like a Superman tactic.

If the JLA's only function is to punch things of various sizes, and at different speeds, then Batman is the most useless (at least Aquaman can punch things underwater!)

If the JLA has functions outside of just combat, then Batman - the most resourceful member/best problem solver on the team - starts to shine.

Fun reading!

Thor just had a useless member of his team cut 🙁