Originally posted by Existere
If the JLA's only function is to punch things of various sizes, and at different speeds, then Batman is the most useless (at least Aquaman can punch things underwater!)If the JLA has functions outside of just combat, then Batman - the most resourceful member/best problem solver on the team - starts to shine.
How is Batman more resourceful than his teams?
Superman has the Fortress
Diana has the wisdom of Athena and the Gods
Cyborg is a walking computer tank
Marvel has the Wisdom of Solomon
Hal posses a ring with near limitless knowledge
Flash is a cop, and with his brain process he has no limit
Batman is useless. He's only around because of PIS/CIS.
Originally posted by SquallX
How is Batman more resourceful than his teams?
Superman has the Fortress
Diana has the wisdom of Athena and the Gods
Cyborg is a walking computer tank
Marvel has the Wisdom of Solomon
Hal posses a ring with near limitless knowledge
Flash is a cop, and with his brain process he has no limitBatman is useless. He's only around because of PIS/CIS.
Because none of them think like a villain. So less CIS, and more CIP (as stated in forum rules).
Originally posted by riv6672
Real good point(s) on the FF.
I posted last week or so, that Sue should be the leader, with Reed in his more comfortable science role.
Other than that they really are a good super team, but an even better team of explorers.
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Originally posted by DarkSaint85
A bunch of heathens, that's what. Temp bans for all of them!!!
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Originally posted by janus77
Avengers - Thor.Hawkeye's an obvious choice, but I think this is a reasonable one too.
For the more powerful Avengers line-up, Thor is basically just another flying brick, but Hype does the "Hulk-level" stuff, Skinny starman does the Silver Surfer-lite feats etc.
The "One man army" stuff, demolishing the opposition, that's Hulk's forte more often than not.
And we don't see him doing anything at all, when it comes to magic, so yes ... extraneous team member.
Thor is a flying brick..who also happens to have a plot device magic hammer his daddy gave him. So how is he just another flying brick? Most flying bricks can't dimension dump people or do things like counter Magneto's powers(which the hammer has done at one point) etc. Heck, at one time the hammer could stop time.
Thor does "Hulk level" stuff too. The Midgard Serpent was large enough to wrap itself around the planet and Thor lifted that sucker up.
Originally posted by riv6672
On Batman's behalf, human or not, he's ruthless and paranoid, owing to the very lack of power we're debating.
He can think of ways to take out metas even the metas wont think of.
Here is the thing though: plenty of characters on the JLA are actually quite smart, they just tend to not act that way whenever Batman is around. For example Superman? Pretty damn smart, maybe not as good a detective as Batman, but with access to his fortress, etc.? I could see him coming out with ways to "take out metas that other metas won't think of" as well. It's just since he has powers he rarely needs to resort to that.
So yeah, I can kind of see where someone is coming from to say Batman is potentially useless. It should be a pretty telling sign that characters suddenly become stupider when Batman is around, just so he can contribute something.
Smarts isn't just enough, that's the problem.
It's the difference between the Punisher and Reed, for example. Or Doc Ock and Peter Parker.
Rulk and Hulk (Savage, of course). Fixit/WWH and Professor Hulk. Superman is smart, he has the tech, he's a prize-wining investigative reporter, and a scientist of the House of El, one of the premier science families in a culture steepd in science.
That does not, however, mean that he'd have a plan to take someone down.
Like I said before - it's the difference between having Einstein on your team for a maths test, and having a guy who's already cheated and memorised the answers to the test. Nobody here is saying Batman is smarter than the others.