Count Dooku vs. Savage Opress (lightsaber only)

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Really?

He's a fanboy for having an opinion shared by pretty much everyone here?

Like I said you've not managed to convince even 1 person here that Opress stands a chance against Dooku in a 1 vs 1 Saber fight.

Because no one see the truth as I have. Dooku's skills are irrelevant against Savage, how can he defeat him while he can't deflect his blows ? It makes no sense.

These people are saying that ''Dooku wins'' without presenting any logical reason.

(Except one ; Nephthys)

Originally posted by Marco1907
Because no one see the truth as I have.

Spoken like a true convert to the dark side 😛

Originally posted by Marco1907
Dooku's skills are irrelevant against Savage, how can he defeat him while he can't deflect his blows ? It makes no sense.

These people are saying that ''Dooku wins'' without presenting any logical reason.

(Except one ; Nephthys)

Because no one buys that one blow that knocked Dooku over is what would happen Every Time they trade blows. Whilst everyone can see Dooku is clearly faster and more skilled.

It honestly requires no explanation. You've taken this "Dooku can't handle kinetic energy" too far when your claiming Dooku can't just take an Untrained Brute like Savage, just because of his strength.

Their trianing session showed how Dooku handles him 1 on 1. There's no proof he had any more than that 1 training session for Sabers or that his training made any significant impact on his combat prowess.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Spoken like a true convert to the dark side 😛

Because no one buys that one blow that knocked Dooku over is what would happen Every Time they trade blows. Whilst everyone can see Dooku is clearly faster and more skilled.

It honestly requires no explanation. You've taken this "Dooku can't handle kinetic energy" too far when your claiming Dooku can't just take an Untrained Brute like Savage, just because of his strength.

Their trianing session showed how Dooku handles him 1 on 1. There's no proof he had any more than that 1 training session for Sabers or that his training made any significant impact on his combat prowess.

You know what's funny? That the video you posted was uploaded by him. 😆

Regardless, Makashi's weakness to power duellists is heavily overrated. Not only that, but that feat is inconsitent. Savage's strenght in terms of duelling was handled well even by Ventress and Obi-Wan, both of whom were physically stomped by Dooku, and he has slapped Savage's ligtsaber aside with casual ease during training (though the latter probably learned to use his rage after that).

Originally posted by Nargaroth
You know what's funny? That the video you posted was uploaded by him. 😆

LOL I didn't even notice. It was high up on youtube's list if you search "Dooku trains Savage Opress"

Originally posted by Nargaroth
Ventress and Obi-Wan, both of whom were physically stomped by Dooku,

You got to be joking. How is Dooku stomping Obi-Wan & Ventress ? Do you really think Dooku would beat Ventress & Obi-Wan without using his sword ? Really ?

Dooku kicks only via fencing and finding an opening (or speed/quickness). Is that so hard to understand ?

Dooku has no unarmed combat feats, while Ventress and Obi-Wan have. Both Ventress and Obi-Wan would beat Dooku in a unarmed H2H combat battle. And they are physically stronger and durable than old man Dooku (83 years old)

Originally posted by Marco1907
You got to be joking. How is Dooku stomping Obi-Wan & Ventress ? Do you really think Dooku would beat Ventress & Obi-Wan without using his sword ? Really ?

Originally posted by Marco1907

Dooku has no unarmed combat feats, while Ventress and Obi-Wan have. Both Ventress and Obi-Wan would beat Dooku in a unarmed H2H combat battle. And they are physically stronger and durable than old man Dooku (83 years old)

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Yes

Being younger doesn't make you stronger when your opponent far outstripes you in the Force.

Yes it is. Watch the mortis episodes, where that says Father become weak because of his age.
Yoda become weak in RotJ because of his age. Obi-Wan become weak in ANH because of his age.

Sidious become physically weak and began to use walking stick in sequel trilogy because of his age, do you think Vader with one hand could throw TPM/RotS Sidious to the reactor shaft that ease ? I don't think so.

Originally posted by Marco1907
Dooku fanboy alert ! 🤣

Well I mean... it's clear you're a Dooku hater. 😬

Originally posted by Trocity
Well I mean... it's clear you're a Dooku hater. 😬

No I am bias hater 😮‍💨

When did I ever denied Dooku's ability ? Did I deny that he is fast, strong with TK, skilled ? No, these people are claiming that Dooku is physically stronger than Obi-Wan and Ventress which is completely absurd.

Originally posted by Marco1907
]Yes it is. Watch the mortis episodes, where that says Father become weak because of his age.

Yoda become weak in RotJ because of his age.

Obi-Wan become weak in ANH because of his age.

Sidious become physically weak and began to use walking stick in sequel trilogy because of his age,

do you think Vader with one hand could throw TPM/RotS Sidious to the reactor shaft that ease ?

I don't think so.

Saying Dooku would lose to Savage in a sabers only is hate, imo. He'd clearly trash him.

Originally posted by Marco1907

When did I ever denied Dooku's ability ?

Your putting his Saber Prowess below Opress's.

So of course your denying his ability.

In the other thread you seem to be suggesting that Maul/Kenobi/Dooku are all on the same level, but only win/lose due to a clash of styles.

But that's wrong. Dooku is clearly more powerful than Kenobi, which makes him more powerful than Maul, because Maul At Best is just slightly more powerful than Kenobi.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Your putting his Saber Prowess below Opress's.

So of course your denying his ability.

In the other thread you seem to be suggesting that Maul/Kenobi/Dooku are all on the same level, but only win/lose due to a clash of styles.

But that's wrong. Dooku is clearly more powerful than Kenobi, which makes him more powerful than Maul, because Maul At Best is just slightly more powerful than Kenobi.

Dooku is not more powerful than Kenobi in lightsaber combat either. He thought that he is killing Obi-Wan but he failed to defeat him in RotS, that's why he used force attacks.

This is from the book ;

He drove a series of flashing thrusts toward Kenobi's legs to draw the Jedi Master into a flipping overhead leap so that Dooku could burn through his spine from kidneys to shoulder blades-and this image, this plan, was so clear in Dooku's mind that he almost failed to notice that Kenobi met every one of his thrusts without so much as moving his feet, staying perfectly centered, perfectly balanced, blade never moving a millimeter more than was necessary, deflecting without effort, riposting with flickering strikes and stabs swifter than the tongue of a Garollian ghost viper, and when Dooku felt Skywalker regain his feet and stride once more toward his back, he finally registered the source of that blinding defensive velocity Kenobi had used a moment ago, and only then, belatedly, did he understand that Kenobi's Ataro and Shii-Cho had been ploys, as well. Kenobi had become a master of Soresu.

Dooku thought that he was killing Kenobi, while Kenobi easily deflected every blow of Dooku. Means that Dooku needed to use force attacks to defeat Kenobi.

And in AotC, he also used dun moch on Kenobi, just like Maul used on him in TCW, but it seems people are forgetting that ;

''Master Kenobi, you disappoint me. Yoda holds you in such high esteem… surely you can do better!''....

Originally posted by Marco1907
Dooku is not more powerful than Kenobi in lightsaber combat either. He thought that he is killing Obi-Wan but he failed to defeat him in RotS, that's why he used force attacks.

This is from the book ;

Dooku thought that he was killing Kenobi, while Kenobi easily deflected every blow of Dooku. Means that Dooku needed to use force attacks to defeat Kenobi.

Yeah let's just ignore that he was having to hold off Skywalker as well. Also why didn't Kenobi block Dooku's force attack (or at least attempt to?)

Originally posted by Marco1907

And in AotC, he also used dun moch on Kenobi, just like Maul used on him in TCW, but it seems people are forgetting that ;

''Master Kenobi, you disappoint me. Yoda holds you in such high esteem… surely you can do better!''....

Jeez, Dooku's fought Kenobi 3 times, and proved to be the superior combatant him every single time. Once in AOTC, once in TCW (very late in TCW mind you) and once in ROTS. So what the heck you trying to prove.

So before we continue let's get one thing straight. Is Dooku
more powerful than Kenobi? If yes, is he slightly more powerful, or vastly more powerful?

If you think they are equals or that Kenobi is slightly better, than you better bring some damn good proof to the table considering Kenobi's been embarrassed by Dooku 3/3 times.

All out. Yes or no.

@DARTH POWER

Dooku = master of the makashi

Obi-Wan = master of the soresu

That's your choice. If you want defensive technique and better at deflecting blaster bolts from droids then Soresu.
If you want quick sword plays, and better at lightsaber duels then makashi is better.

Lets not forget that, same Anakin defeated Dooku while failed at Kenobi. That also indicates Kenobi's advantage on Dooku.
Dooku defeating Obi-Wan is a good feat, but also Obi-Wan defeating Anakin another good feat which is Dooku couldn't do with lightsaber combat.

Yeah, I think we're done here.

Originally posted by Marco1907
@DARTH POWER

Dooku = master of the makashi

Obi-Wan = master of the soresu

That's your choice. If you want defensive technique and better at deflecting blaster bolts from droids then Soresu.
If you want quick sword plays, and better at lightsaber duels then makashi is better.

Lets not forget that, same Anakin defeated Dooku while failed at Kenobi. That also indicates Kenobi's advantage on Dooku.
Dooku defeating Obi-Wan is a good feat, but also Obi-Wan defeating Anakin another good feat which is Dooku couldn't do with lightsaber combat.

Right so your basically saying Dooku </= Kenobi in "Pure Sabers."

That's Fine. What about Dooku owning Kenobi with TK? And what about Dooku overpowering Kenobi with Physical Attacks?

Is Dooku the more powerful combatant in an all out or not? And is it a small difference or a large one?

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Right so your basically saying Dooku </= Kenobi in "Pure Sabers."

That's Fine. What about Dooku owning Kenobi with TK? And what about Dooku overpowering Kenobi with Physical Attacks?

Is Dooku the more powerful combatant in an all out or not? And is it a small difference or a large one?

Same difference with TCW Maul who have grown more powerful than his TPM version,

I would put Maul and Dooku in category 8 while Kenobi 7 because of the TK differences.

However they are equal in lightsaber combat, Maul master at juyo / niman and martial arts such as teras kasi etc. , Dooku master at makashi, Obi-Wan master at soresu/ataru.

Physically Maul is superior, much more durable, stronger and fast as Dooku.

Dooku lacks strength and durability, but he has extra weapon such as force lightning, that's compensate it.

Obi-Wan is much more durable than Dooku, and stronger but not fast as Dooku or TCW Maul. But Obi-Wan has sokan mastery which is using the environment as his ally, it can be very useful sometimes (just like it worked on Savage Opress at floorum and Anakin at mustafar)

Also Obi-Wan has very keen senses,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yzej95vAmIQ

probably he develop this ability with soresu mastery, that also compensate his speed.

Is this a joke? On Oba Dia Dooku nearly killed Kenobi with a kick...then threw him to the ground and broke his ribs. Its pretty clear that Kenobi would have been dead were it not for Anakin.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
Is this a joke? On Oba Dia Dooku nearly killed Kenobi with a kick...then threw him to the ground and broke his ribs. Its pretty clear that Kenobi would have been dead were it not for Anakin.

Nearly killed ? Did you watch that properly ? Obi-Wan had only one time trouble because of that pit, then he continued without problem ;

YouTube video