Originally posted by yungz22Say it with me: "DISTRACTED" (disˈtraktəd.) In DBZ, it's possible for a weaker character to harm/incapacitate/overpower/kill a more powerful character IF the element of surprise is on their side. It's happened in pretty much every saga, in fact. Nothing new.
Again he beat him with HALF of his power regardless of vegeta's failed attempt to hurt cell
Originally posted by yungz22Sorry, but no. If you look at how SPCell was depicted, he was a SSJ2. He was resurrected with a stated "massive" power increase, had a more furious aura around him, AND had lightning encircling him--all of which are glaring trademarks of a SSJ2.
If gohan was full powered ssj2 he would have beat cell effortlessly.
That said, since PCell was more powerful than SSJ Gohan, he would have logically become more powerful than SSJ2 Gohan after his resurrection into SPCell--assuming he received the standard SSJ2 power increase of 2x>SSJ, of course.
Originally posted by Galan007
Say it with me: "DISTRACTED" (disˈtraktəd.) In DBZ, it's possible for a weaker character to harm/incapacitate/overpower/kill a more powerful character IF the element of surprise is on their side. It's happened in pretty much every saga, in fact. Nothing new.Sorry, but no. If you look at how SPCell was depicted, he was a SSJ2. He was resurrected with a stated "massive" power increase, had a more furious aura around him, AND had lightning encircling him--all of which are glaring trademarks of a SSJ2.
That said, since PCell was more powerful than SSJ Gohan, he would have logically become more powerful than SSJ2 Gohan after his resurrection into SPCell--assuming he received the standard SSJ2 power increase of 2x>SSJ, of course.
Dude no matter how you put it ssj2 gohan was stronger than super perfect cell. Gohan with Half of his strength and one arm was able to hold back cell's super kamehameha for a considerable amount of time if gohan was full powered cell would have died much faster. There wouldnt even be a struggle.
Goku himself said gohan even with your current power you can still beat him.
You're entirely ignoring facts/context(ie. the power Cell clearly wielded, Cell arrogantly opting to toy with Gohan instead of swiftly killing him, Cell being distracted when Gohan destroyed him, etc.) in favor of your own conjecture. No need to indulge you any further.
Gohan dies horribly in both rounds. 🙂
Originally posted by Galan007
Cell being distracted when Gohan destroyed him
Was Cell distracted when Goku made that statement?
It's been so long since I've read DBZ and right now all that's coming to me is the scene in DBZ Budokai where Goku goes "Gohan use the pain of loss." It's a shame that I remember that more clearly.
Originally posted by juggermanYes.
Was Cell distracted when Goku made that statement?
That was one of Vegeta's best moments ever. 👆
Ok yungz said "Goku himself said gohan even with your current power you can still beat him." and in your next response you mentioned Cell being destracted so I asked was he distracted when Goku made the statement of Gohan being powerful enough to win.
Basically it seems like you believe Gohan's victory was dependent on Cell's destraction but if Goku said Gohan could still overpower Cell BEFORE Cell was distracted then it would seem as tho Gohan was still stronger than Cell but just needed to believe it himself.
Normally I'd just go back and read the part myself but I can't until I leave work
Originally posted by juggermanGoku made that statement prior to Cell being distracted. However, Gohan was ready to just give up and allow Cell to kill him at that point--Goku's pep-talk simply encouraged him to mount a counterattack.
Ok yungz said "Goku himself said gohan even with your current power you can still beat him." and in your next response you mentioned Cell being destracted so I asked was he distracted when Goku made the statement of Gohan being powerful enough to win.Basically it seems like you believe Gohan's victory was dependent on Cell's destraction but if Goku said Gohan could still overpower Cell BEFORE Cell was distracted then it would seem as tho Gohan was still stronger than Cell but just needed to believe it himself.
Normally I'd just go back and read the part myself but I can't until I leave work
Furthermore, Cell's distraction IS what Gohan capitalized on, clearly. Prior to that, Gohan was definitively losing the kamehameha-off. Heck, Piccolo specifically noted that Gohan's ki was weaker than Cell's.
Originally posted by Galan007
Goku made that statement prior to Cell being distracted. However, Gohan was ready to just give up and allow Cell to kill him at that point--Goku's pep-talk simply encouraged him to mount a counterattack.Furthermore, Cell's distraction IS what Gohan capitalized on, clearly. Prior to that, Gohan was definitively losing the kamehameha-off. Heck, Piccolo specifically noted that Gohan's ki was weaker than Cell's.
Lol regardless of being distracted or not you seem to be disregarding the fact that gohan was at HALF strength and only had one arm during the beam STRUGGLE. And even goku himself stating that gohan was still strong enough to beat cell even at half power.
If gohan was a full powered ssj2 cell would have died alot faster
Why is it so hard for you to grasp that in DBZ, distracted and/or unprepared characters can be harmed, or even killed, by weaker characters--especially when they use energy attacks.
Examples from that saga:
Vegeta's Final Flash vs. Cell
Goku's Warp Kamehameha vs. Cell
Understand? Goku and Vegeta were vastly weaker than Cell, but were still able to put an immense hurting on him with energy attacks delivered while Cell's guard was down... The final scene with Gohan wasn't really much different.
As I mentioned above: Piccolo outright stated that Gohan's ki was weaker than Cell's:
http://i.imgur.com/yEyeX1c.gif
Gohan simply capitalized on Cell's moment of distraction/unpreparedness, like Goku and Vegeta had done before him. The only difference is that all of Cell's person was caught in Gohan's blast, thus he was permanently destroyed.
But in lieu of all the info I've presented, I am to believe that Gohan, at just half power, was somehow more powerful than SPCell(who, himself, appeared to have been upgraded to SSJ2 levels)..? Lol, that's downright nonsense. 😂
Originally posted by Galan007
Why is it so hard for you to grasp that in DBZ, distracted and/or unprepared characters can be harmed, or even killed, by weaker characters--especially when they use energy attacks.Examples from that saga:
Vegeta's Final Flash vs. Cell
Goku's Warp Kamehameha vs. Cell
Tien's Tri-Beam vs. Cell
Etc. Etc. Etc.Understand? All of the above characters were vastly weaker than Cell, but were still able to put an immense hurting on him with energy attacks. Furthermore, all of the above attacks were delivered while Cell's guard was down. The final scene with Gohan wasn't much different.
As I mentioned above: Piccolo outright stated that Gohan's ki was weaker that Cell's:
http://i.imgur.com/yEyeX1c.gif
Gohan simply capitalized on Cell's moment of distraction/unpreparedness, like Goku and Vegeta had done before him. The only difference is that all of Cell's person was caught in Gohan's blast, thus he was permanently destroyed.But in lieu of all the above, I am to believe that Gohan was inextricably more powerful than SPCell... And at half power, no less? Lol, that's downright nonsense. 😂
So your gonna disregard goku's statement even tho he is the most knowledgeable fighter in the show more so than piccolo when it comes to fighting and power levels and was the first person to witness ssj2
Sure during the beam struggle cell may have been stronger but your also forgetting that at that same time.
GOHAN was at HALF strength and had only ONE working arm. Had gohan been at full powered he would have beaten cell alot easier
Originally posted by yungz22You continue to ignore the context of Goku's statement ad nauseam. Again: Gohan was ready to just give up and allow Cell to kill him at that point--Goku's pep-talk simply encouraged him to mount a counterattack. Had Goku not spoke up, Gohan wouldn't have tried to defend at all(he made this clear.)
So your gonna disregard goku's statement even tho he is the most knowledgeable fighter in the show more so than piccolo when it comes to fighting and power levels.
Originally posted by yungz22Cell WAS more powerful. Piccolo confirmed this fact for us. Why else do you think Gohan had to wait until Cell was distracted by Vegeta's cheap-shot before he let loose with his blast? He clearly didn't have a prayer otherwise.
Sure during the beam struggle cell may have been stronger but your also forgetting that at that same time.
Originally posted by yungz22Based on... No facts at all. none
GOHAN was at HALF strength and had only ONE working arm. Had gohan been at full powered he would have beaten cell alot easier
Here ARE some facts, though:
In DBZ, weaker characters CAN harm stronger characters with energy attacks. It happened ALL THE TIME, IN EVERY SAGA. Tien's Tri-Beam(s) vs. Imperfect Cell is another example. What's not computing here?
And again, SPCell appeared to have been resurrected as a SSJ2(I mentioned why I'm confident of this above.) We know that a SSJ's power is doubled when they become a SSJ2. We also know that PCell was more powerful than SSJ Gohan. Thus, SPCell, assuming he did evolve into a SSJ2, would have logically been more powerful than SSJ2 Gohan as well.
In even simpler terms:
If PCell's power=10 and SSJ Gohan's power=8, then SPCell's power=20 and SSJ2 Gohan's power=16.
Simple logic is simple. 🙂
Originally posted by Galan007
You continue to ignore the context of Goku's statement ad nauseam. Again: Gohan was ready to just give up and allow Cell to kill him at that point--Goku's pep-talk simply encouraged him to mount a counterattack. Had Goku not spoke up, Gohan wouldn't have tried to defend at all(he made this clear.)Cell WAS more powerful. Piccolo confirmed this fact for us. Why else do you think Gohan had to wait until Cell was distracted by Vegeta's cheap-shot before he let loose with his blast? He clearly didn't have a prayer otherwise.
Based on... No facts at all. none
Here ARE some facts, though:
In DBZ, weaker characters CAN harm stronger characters with energy attacks. It happened ALL THE TIME, IN EVERY SAGA. Tien's Tri-Beam(s) vs. Imperfect Cell is another example. What's not computing here?And again, SPCell appeared to have been resurrected as a SSJ2(I mentioned why I'm confident of this above.) We know that a SSJ's power is doubled when they become a SSJ2. We also know that PCell was more powerful than SSJ Gohan. Thus, SPCell, assuming he did evolve into a SSJ2, would have logically been more powerful than SSJ2 Gohan as well.
In even simpler terms:
If PCell's power=10 and SSJ Gohan's power=8, then SPCell's power=20 and SSJ2 Gohan's power=16.Simple logic is simple. 🙂
Thats speculation ussj trunks had an electrical aura as well does that make him an ssj2?
Originally posted by yungz22😂
Thats speculation ussj trunks had an electrical aura as well does that make him an ssj2?
SPCell's aura:
As you can see, the electricity around SPCell is constant, and his aura is much more 'furious':
Now, here's SSJ2 Gohan's aura:
As you can see, their auras are the exact same. And if that's not enough, we also have Cell explicitly telling us that upon his resurrection, he received a "MASSIVE" power-up:
http://i.imgur.com/ySlWerk.gif
So, an aura IDENTICAL to that of a SSJ2 + a MASSIVE increase in power over his former-self. Gee, I wonder what Akira's intention was...?
kruemelmonsteryn0
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And for the record: here's USSJ Trunks' alleged 'electrical' aura:
...Which looks absolutely NOTHING like either of the above.
Originally posted by Galan007
😂SPCell's aura:
As you can see, the electricity around SPCell is constant, and his aura is much more 'furious':
Now, here's SSJ2 Gohan's aura:
As you can see, their auras couldn't be more similar. And if that's not enough, we also have Cell explicitly telling us that upon his resurrection, he received a "MASSIVE" power-up:
http://i.imgur.com/ySlWerk.gifSo, an aura IDENTICAL to that of a SSJ2 + a MASSIVE increase in power over his former-self. Gee, I wonder what Akira's intention was...?
kruemelmonsteryn0
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And for the record: here's USSJ Trunks' alleged 'electrical' aura:
...Which looks absolutely NOTHING like either of the above.
I didnt read the manga but in the show he had electricity around him alrhough it was slight.
Also those two pics between gohan and cell gohan's aura looks much more powerful than cell's.
Also regardless if its a pep talk or not goku wpuldnt have said it if it werent true because like i said before goku is the most knowledgeable fighter in the series as well as the first to witness full powered ssj 2. He knew gohan still had enough power to kill cell.
Goku's words beat your speculation
Originally posted by yungz22In terms of canonicity, the manga supersedes the anime. That is why all of my facts come straight from the manga. 🙂
I didnt read the manga but in the show he had electricity around him alrhough it was slight.Also those two pics between gohan and cell gohan's aura looks much more powerful than cell's.
Anyway, lol @ your straw-grasping. Their auras couldn't have been depicted more similarly. Here's a few different pages to compare them:
IDENTICAL. Deal with it. 👆
Originally posted by yungz22Yes, keep trollishly ignoring the context behind Goku's statement. Also continue ignoring this:
Also regardless if its a pep talk or not goku wpuldnt have said it if it werent true because like i said before goku is the most knowledgeable fighter in the series as well as the first to witness full powered ssj 2. He knew gohan still had enough power to kill cell.Goku's words beat your speculation
...It doesn't make you look like a 'tard or anything. 👆
Originally posted by Galan007
In terms of canonicity, the manga supersedes the anime. That is why all of my facts come straight from the manga. 🙂Anyway, lol @ your straw-grasping. Their auras couldn't have been depicted more similarly. Here's a few different pages to compare them:
IDENTICAL. Deal with it. 👆
Yes, keep trollishly ignoring the context behind Goku's statement. Also continue ignoring this:
...It doesn't make you look like a 'tard or anything. 👆
Again piccollo hadnt seen gohans full hidden power like goku did while they were training. Goku knew that gohan still had alot of power that he hadnt tapped into and that gohan holding some of it back. Even goku was stating that gohan was holding back because he didnt want to destroy the earth.
That fact plus goku telling gohan that even at half strength he could still kill cell defeats your speculation.
Unless your trying to say that piccolo is more knowledgeable than goku when it comes to fighting.
