Stacked team vs. SSJ2 Gohan

Originally posted by yungz22
gohan didnt let all of his energy ut once again goku's statements and gohan's natural character beats your speculation.

What exactly isn't computing here? At this point you're definitely either trolling for the sake of trolling, or you're just an idiot... Or perhaps you're both. Either way, this has become laughably stupid on your part, and made me realize how poor the forums have become. A single cherry-picked/out-of-context line from Goku simply does NOT supersede the handful of contradictory evidence. Frankly, you're terrible at this. 😂

Originally posted by Galan007
...Which doesn't change the fact that Gohan STILL HAD TO WAIT UNTIL CELL WAS DISTRACTED BY VEGETA'S CHEAP-SHOT BEFORE HE RELEASED SAID ENERGY.

What exactly isn't computing here? At this point you're definitely either trolling for the sake of trolling, or you're just an idiot... Or perhaps you're both. Either way, this has become laughably stupid on your part, and made me realize how poor the forums have become. A single cherry-picked/out-of-context line from Goku simply does NOT supersede the handful of contradictory evidence. Frankly, you're terrible at this. 😂

i never said he didnt. my whole point from the beginning is that if gohan was at full power from the beginning based on gohan being at half strength, goku's statements, and the the beam struggle that cell would have died much faster.

your disregarding gohan's handicap against spc

Originally posted by Galan007
Heh, I like how you only use this line of argumentation when it suits your case, but tried to completely ignore it the several times I mentioned it. 😂

Fact is: you've no PROOF that SPC was weaker than SSJ2 Gohan. None at all. You're simply presenting personal conjecture, and trying to sell it as fact. Doesn't work that way. 👇

When Cell WAS harmed by weaker characters, we knew, beyond the shadow of a doubt, that they WERE weaker than himself. No illogical guesstimations were required. The same CANNOT be said about SPC in comparison to SSJ2 Gohan, however--by all accounts they were nigh-equals. That is why your logic fails here. 👆

I'm not ignoring anything. You said something and I agreed with you.

There is no proof either way here. That's why it's open for debate

But because weaker guys CAN hurt stronger guys then when guy Ahurt guy B you cannot use that evidence alone to say A>B.

For the record me and Galan debated this about a year ago and I was originally under the impression that Gohan was still much more powerful than SPC and was only hindered because of the damage Cell did to his arm.

Galan kicked my ass in that debate and changed my mind.

I still think it's a good topic open for debate but now I believe they were very close in power. I understand when other people see it differently and will play devil's advocate(like I'm doing now) from time to time.

Now with all that said I have DEFINITIVE PROOF(speculation at best but entertaining nonetheless) Gohan was much more powerful than SPC and it was Gohna's own fear that hindered him, not Cell's pitiful power!!!!

Coming soon....

Originally posted by yungz22
your disregarding gohan's handicap against spc

ALL evidence considered, I think it's pretty clear that SPC~SSJ2 Gohan(healthy)>SSJ2 Gohan(injured).

Originally posted by juggerman
I'm not ignoring anything. You said something and I agreed with you.

There is no proof either way here. That's why it's open for debate

But because weaker guys CAN hurt stronger guys then when guy Ahurt guy B you cannot use that evidence alone to say A>B.

Originally posted by Galan007
No, I'm not. I've acknowledged it several times, in fact. However, what you have yet to acknowledge is the FACT that Cell was TOYING with Gohan prior to being distracted by Vegeta(both the manga AND anime solidify this.) If Gohan were truly capable of pwning Cell at any given moment via releasing all of his power(as you're claiming), then HE WOULDN'T HAVE HAD TO WAIT UNTIL CELL WAS DISTRACTED BY VEGETA'S CHEAP-SHOT BEFORE 'MAKING HIS MOVE'.

ALL evidence considered, I think it's pretty clear that SPC~SSJ2 Gohan(healthy)>SSJ2 Gohan(injured).

Look who I quoted when I made that post--it wasn't directed at you. 😉

Dude if you cut anyone or anythings power in half you should be able to over power. For example when buutenks power got halved because the fusion wore off goku said the fusion was no longer needed because he could beat him now. 50% power loss is very drastic.

You act as if their was no beam struggle. Sure cell was winning but it wasnt a stonp that you make it seem to be. That goes to show that if gohan was full powered he may be able to win. Also goku's statements are backed by gohan's natural nature and him never being wrong about who can beat who.

Originally posted by yungz22
Dude if you cut anyone or anythings power in half you should be able to over power. For example when buutenks power got halved because the fusion wore off goku said the fusion was no longer needed because he could beat him now. 50% power loss is very drastic.

I say again: don't mention DBZ 'facts', if you're not sure they're *actual* facts. Makes you look dumb(er).

Originally posted by yungz22
You act as if their was no beam struggle. Sure cell was winning but it wasnt a stonp that you make it seem to be. That goes to show that if gohan was full powered he may be able to win. Also goku's statements are backed by gohan's natural nature and him never being wrong about who can beat who.

At this point, I'm positive that you cannot comprehend in-story context--and if you CAN, you simply ignore it when it doesn't suit your case. You're actually a pretty decent troll. 👆

Here is the DEFINITIVE PROOF that Gohan was indeed more powerful than Super Perfect Cell and the reason Cell was able to hurt Gohan was Gohan's own fault.

Let’s begin: We all know that Gohan’s power throughout most of Dragon Ball Z was based on his anger. Much like The Hulk, you don’t want to make Gohan angry…. You won’t like him when he’s angry. Just ask Raditz:

http://www.mangapanda.com/105-2851-14/dragon-ball/chapter-202.html

After seeing his father beaten down Gohan’s power explodes. Enough to break out of his prison. But that’s not all:

http://www.mangapanda.com/105-2852-8/dragon-ball/chapter-203.html

Barely controlling his rage… And then BOOM!

http://www.mangapanda.com/105-2852-9/dragon-ball/chapter-203.html
http://www.mangapanda.com/105-2852-10/dragon-ball/chapter-203.html
http://www.mangapanda.com/105-2852-11/dragon-ball/chapter-203.html

Such POWAH!!! But then sadly the FEAR creeps in…

http://www.mangapanda.com/105-2852-12/dragon-ball/chapter-203.html

Look closely at Gohan’s face here in the first panel.. or second panel I guess.

http://www.mangapanda.com/105-2852-13/dragon-ball/chapter-203.html

His eyes are full of FEAR! That theme continues throughout the series. Angry is his ally but FEAR cripples him.

And that’s what I want to focus on here.

Piccolo is the first to discover Gohan’s emotions are the key to his power:
http://www.mangapanda.com/105-2855-6/dragon-ball/chapter-206.html
http://www.mangapanda.com/105-2855-7/dragon-ball/chapter-206.html
http://www.mangapanda.com/105-2855-8/dragon-ball/chapter-206.html
http://www.mangapanda.com/105-2855-9/dragon-ball/chapter-206.html
http://www.mangapanda.com/105-2855-10/dragon-ball/chapter-206.html
http://www.mangapanda.com/105-2855-11/dragon-ball/chapter-206.html
http://www.mangapanda.com/105-2855-12/dragon-ball/chapter-206.html
http://www.mangapanda.com/105-2855-13/dragon-ball/chapter-206.html

The story is full of Gohan’s power growing exponentially while angered. This is as clear as day. But Toriyama also made it clear that when he gets scared he has trouble maintaining this power. We see this quite a few times in the story Raditz as posted earlier, Nappa too:

http://www.mangapanda.com/105-2871-6/dragon-ball/chapter-222.html
http://www.mangapanda.com/105-2871-7/dragon-ball/chapter-222.html
http://www.mangapanda.com/105-2871-8/dragon-ball/chapter-222.html
http://www.mangapanda.com/105-2871-9/dragon-ball/chapter-222.html

But then the FEAR sets in. As you can see in the first panel he’s terrified:

http://www.mangapanda.com/105-2871-10/dragon-ball/chapter-222.html

The FEAR leaves him powerless and frozen:

http://www.mangapanda.com/105-2871-10/dragon-ball/chapter-222.html
http://www.mangapanda.com/105-2871-12/dragon-ball/chapter-222.html

Piccolo must step in since Gohan’s FEAR makes him useless:

http://www.mangapanda.com/105-2871-12/dragon-ball/chapter-222.html
http://www.mangapanda.com/105-2871-14/dragon-ball/chapter-222.html

It’s made clear time and again Gohan has trouble embracing his power because he is a child. He gets scared like any kid would but that FEAR cuts his power and makes him vulnerable.

We see it again here, his FEAR cripples him in the face of the powerful Vegeta:

http://www.mangapanda.com/105-2885-9/dragon-ball/chapter-236.html
http://www.mangapanda.com/105-2885-10/dragon-ball/chapter-236.html
http://www.mangapanda.com/105-2885-11/dragon-ball/chapter-236.html
http://www.mangapanda.com/105-2885-12/dragon-ball/chapter-236.html
http://www.mangapanda.com/105-2885-13/dragon-ball/chapter-236.html

But then he gets angry and he’s able to go toe to toe with the monstrous Saiyan:

http://www.mangapanda.com/105-2885-3/dragon-ball/chapter-236.html
http://www.mangapanda.com/105-2885-4/dragon-ball/chapter-236.html
http://www.mangapanda.com/105-2885-5/dragon-ball/chapter-236.html
http://www.mangapanda.com/105-2885-6/dragon-ball/chapter-236.html
http://www.mangapanda.com/105-2886-1/dragon-ball/chapter-237.html

This is important because it shows that Gohan can be “snapped” out of his FEARful state and get angry enough to fight back. Keep that in mind…

Next up we see his rage in the face of the tyrant Frieza:

http://www.mangapanda.com/105-2946-5/dragon-ball/chapter-297.html
http://www.mangapanda.com/105-2946-6/dragon-ball/chapter-297.html
http://www.mangapanda.com/105-2946-7/dragon-ball/chapter-297.html
http://www.mangapanda.com/105-2946-8/dragon-ball/chapter-297.html
http://www.mangapanda.com/105-2946-9/dragon-ball/chapter-297.html
http://www.mangapanda.com/105-2946-10/dragon-ball/chapter-297.html

But of course Vegeta makes the FEAR set in:

http://www.mangapanda.com/105-2946-11/dragon-ball/chapter-297.html
http://www.mangapanda.com/105-2946-12/dragon-ball/chapter-297.html

And as always the FEAR causes Gohan’s power to plummet:

http://www.mangapanda.com/105-2947-2/dragon-ball/chapter-298.html
http://www.mangapanda.com/105-2947-2/dragon-ball/chapter-298.html
http://www.mangapanda.com/105-2947-4/dragon-ball/chapter-298.html

He tried to fight back but that original anger is gone:

http://www.mangapanda.com/105-2947-8/dragon-ball/chapter-298.html
http://www.mangapanda.com/105-2947-9/dragon-ball/chapter-298.html
http://www.mangapanda.com/105-2947-10/dragon-ball/chapter-298.html
http://www.mangapanda.com/105-2947-11/dragon-ball/chapter-298.html
http://www.mangapanda.com/105-2947-12/dragon-ball/chapter-298.html
http://www.mangapanda.com/105-2947-13/dragon-ball/chapter-298.html

Sad. So sad.

Fast forward a few years and we have Gohan vs Cell. After seeing all of this you might be asking yourself “why oh why are you going through all of this?” Well friends…. I’m bored. BUT it all becomes relevant here!!!

Since we’ve been talking about Cell I’ll assume I don’t need to post the pages where they all talk about Gohan’s anger and if he’s angry enough that he will become a power house. But what we should focus on is the FEAR!!!!!

Gohan eclipsed Cells power and was able to toy with him. When Cell came back he was more powerful but Gohan, knowing fully what he was capable of, was able to feel Cell’s power and was unimpressed:

http://www.mangapanda.com/105-3064-3/dragon-ball/chapter-415.html

But then we never see the fight play out because of punk ass Vegeta! But we do have this. Cell prepares to finish Vegeta, and Gohan, fearing for Vegeta’s life, jumping in the way. Fearing for Vegeta’s life.

http://www.mangapanda.com/105-3064-10/dragon-ball/chapter-415.html

FEARing

http://www.mangapanda.com/105-3064-11/dragon-ball/chapter-415.html

FEAR!!!!

Gohan allowed Cell to injure him because he allowed the FEAR into his heart!

Now we all know that more powerful fighters can be harmed by weaker fighters right? We also know that when the stronger fighter lowers his Ki, whether purposely or otherwise, he can be severely injured by weak sauce guy like Krillin:

http://www.mangapanda.com/105-2952-14/dragon-ball/chapter-303.html

And Gohan when was injured and at half power he was afraid. He felt the FEAR:

http://www.mangapanda.com/105-3065-1/dragon-ball/chapter-416.html
http://www.mangapanda.com/105-3065-2/dragon-ball/chapter-416.html

Just look and that FEAR in his face! Hence why his power was so low!

And Cell, by his own admission wasn’t “playing around anymore”

http://www.mangapanda.com/105-3064-14/dragon-ball/chapter-415.html

So Gohan at half mast was able to hold back a non “playing around” Cell! Impressive. But wait there’s more!

http://www.mangapanda.com/105-3066-6/dragon-ball/chapter-417.html

“You haven’t released all of your power yet”. Possibly because he still had FEAR in his heart? He needed his anger boost!

And then once he really got angry, most likely due to having his father scream in his ear, he was able to outright overpower a non “playing around” albeit possibly slightly “distracted” Super Perfect Cell!

http://www.mangapanda.com/105-3066-8/dragon-ball/chapter-417.html
http://www.mangapanda.com/105-3066-9/dragon-ball/chapter-417.html
http://www.mangapanda.com/105-3066-10/dragon-ball/chapter-417.html

So we know that Gohan’s power rises and falls due to his emotion far more than anyone else in the series. We also know that his anger swells his power while, much like Hal Jordan, FEAR limits him. So I say unto you, that it was not Cell’s own power that was responsible for Gohan’s injury but Gohan’s own FEAR that was the culprit. Without it Gohan would have wiped the floor with Cell for a second time.

All of this is 100% fact and not speculation at all. Suck on that!!!

If you're too lazy to read that whole thing here's the jist:

Broly wins!

😂

Originally posted by Galan007
After the fusion wore off, Goku stated that GOHAN could beat Buu by himself--which makes sense, given Gohan's performance against Super Buu. SSJ3 Goku, however, was FAR inferior to Super Buu(Goku himself stated as much.)

I say again: don't mention DBZ 'facts', if you're not sure they're *actual* facts. Makes you look dumb(er).

SPC wasn't 'struggling' AT ALL--you're mistaking him TOYING with Gohan, for struggling.

At this point, I'm positive that you cannot comprehend in-story context--and if you CAN, you simply ignore it when it doesn't suit your case. You're actually a pretty decent troll. 👆

He wasnt toying with him cell specifically siad he was done playing and was gonna finish them there once and for all he was going all out theres nothing that suggests cell was toying with gohan

you should go back and look while goku was ssj3 fighting super buu when the gotenks fusion wore off goku specifically said "you dont plan to beat me like that do you?

Originally posted by juggerman
Here is the DEFINITIVE PROOF that Gohan was indeed more powerful than Super Perfect Cell and the reason Cell was able to hurt Gohan was Gohan's own fault.

Let’s begin: We all know that Gohan’s power throughout most of Dragon Ball Z was based on his anger. Much like The Hulk, you don’t want to make Gohan angry…. You won’t like him when he’s angry. Just ask Raditz:

http://www.mangapanda.com/105-2851-14/dragon-ball/chapter-202.html

After seeing his father beaten down Gohan’s power explodes. Enough to break out of his prison. But that’s not all:

http://www.mangapanda.com/105-2852-8/dragon-ball/chapter-203.html

Barely controlling his rage… And then BOOM!

http://www.mangapanda.com/105-2852-9/dragon-ball/chapter-203.html
http://www.mangapanda.com/105-2852-10/dragon-ball/chapter-203.html
http://www.mangapanda.com/105-2852-11/dragon-ball/chapter-203.html

Such POWAH!!! But then sadly the FEAR creeps in…

http://www.mangapanda.com/105-2852-12/dragon-ball/chapter-203.html

Look closely at Gohan’s face here in the first panel.. or second panel I guess.

http://www.mangapanda.com/105-2852-13/dragon-ball/chapter-203.html

His eyes are full of FEAR! That theme continues throughout the series. Angry is his ally but FEAR cripples him.

And that’s what I want to focus on here.

Piccolo is the first to discover Gohan’s emotions are the key to his power:
http://www.mangapanda.com/105-2855-6/dragon-ball/chapter-206.html
http://www.mangapanda.com/105-2855-7/dragon-ball/chapter-206.html
http://www.mangapanda.com/105-2855-8/dragon-ball/chapter-206.html
http://www.mangapanda.com/105-2855-9/dragon-ball/chapter-206.html
http://www.mangapanda.com/105-2855-10/dragon-ball/chapter-206.html
http://www.mangapanda.com/105-2855-11/dragon-ball/chapter-206.html
http://www.mangapanda.com/105-2855-12/dragon-ball/chapter-206.html
http://www.mangapanda.com/105-2855-13/dragon-ball/chapter-206.html

The story is full of Gohan’s power growing exponentially while angered. This is as clear as day. But Toriyama also made it clear that when he gets scared he has trouble maintaining this power. We see this quite a few times in the story Raditz as posted earlier, Nappa too:

http://www.mangapanda.com/105-2871-6/dragon-ball/chapter-222.html
http://www.mangapanda.com/105-2871-7/dragon-ball/chapter-222.html
http://www.mangapanda.com/105-2871-8/dragon-ball/chapter-222.html
http://www.mangapanda.com/105-2871-9/dragon-ball/chapter-222.html

But then the FEAR sets in. As you can see in the first panel he’s terrified:

http://www.mangapanda.com/105-2871-10/dragon-ball/chapter-222.html

The FEAR leaves him powerless and frozen:

http://www.mangapanda.com/105-2871-10/dragon-ball/chapter-222.html
http://www.mangapanda.com/105-2871-12/dragon-ball/chapter-222.html

Piccolo must step in since Gohan’s FEAR makes him useless:

http://www.mangapanda.com/105-2871-12/dragon-ball/chapter-222.html
http://www.mangapanda.com/105-2871-14/dragon-ball/chapter-222.html

It’s made clear time and again Gohan has trouble embracing his power because he is a child. He gets scared like any kid would but that FEAR cuts his power and makes him vulnerable.

We see it again here, his FEAR cripples him in the face of the powerful Vegeta:

http://www.mangapanda.com/105-2885-9/dragon-ball/chapter-236.html
http://www.mangapanda.com/105-2885-10/dragon-ball/chapter-236.html
http://www.mangapanda.com/105-2885-11/dragon-ball/chapter-236.html
http://www.mangapanda.com/105-2885-12/dragon-ball/chapter-236.html
http://www.mangapanda.com/105-2885-13/dragon-ball/chapter-236.html

But then he gets angry and he’s able to go toe to toe with the monstrous Saiyan:

http://www.mangapanda.com/105-2885-3/dragon-ball/chapter-236.html
http://www.mangapanda.com/105-2885-4/dragon-ball/chapter-236.html
http://www.mangapanda.com/105-2885-5/dragon-ball/chapter-236.html
http://www.mangapanda.com/105-2885-6/dragon-ball/chapter-236.html
http://www.mangapanda.com/105-2886-1/dragon-ball/chapter-237.html

This is important because it shows that Gohan can be “snapped” out of his FEARful state and get angry enough to fight back. Keep that in mind…

Next up we see his rage in the face of the tyrant Frieza:

http://www.mangapanda.com/105-2946-5/dragon-ball/chapter-297.html
http://www.mangapanda.com/105-2946-6/dragon-ball/chapter-297.html
http://www.mangapanda.com/105-2946-7/dragon-ball/chapter-297.html
http://www.mangapanda.com/105-2946-8/dragon-ball/chapter-297.html
http://www.mangapanda.com/105-2946-9/dragon-ball/chapter-297.html
http://www.mangapanda.com/105-2946-10/dragon-ball/chapter-297.html

But of course Vegeta makes the FEAR set in:

http://www.mangapanda.com/105-2946-11/dragon-ball/chapter-297.html
http://www.mangapanda.com/105-2946-12/dragon-ball/chapter-297.html

And as always the FEAR causes Gohan’s power to plummet:

http://www.mangapanda.com/105-2947-2/dragon-ball/chapter-298.html
http://www.mangapanda.com/105-2947-2/dragon-ball/chapter-298.html
http://www.mangapanda.com/105-2947-4/dragon-ball/chapter-298.html

He tried to fight back but that original anger is gone:

http://www.mangapanda.com/105-2947-8/dragon-ball/chapter-298.html
http://www.mangapanda.com/105-2947-9/dragon-ball/chapter-298.html
http://www.mangapanda.com/105-2947-10/dragon-ball/chapter-298.html
http://www.mangapanda.com/105-2947-11/dragon-ball/chapter-298.html
http://www.mangapanda.com/105-2947-12/dragon-ball/chapter-298.html
http://www.mangapanda.com/105-2947-13/dragon-ball/chapter-298.html

Sad. So sad.

Fast forward a few years and we have Gohan vs Cell. After seeing all of this you might be asking yourself “why oh why are you going through all of this?” Well friends…. I’m bored. BUT it all becomes relevant here!!!

Since we’ve been talking about Cell I’ll assume I don’t need to post the pages where they all talk about Gohan’s anger and if he’s angry enough that he will become a power house. But what we should focus on is the FEAR!!!!!

Gohan eclipsed Cells power and was able to toy with him. When Cell came back he was more powerful but Gohan, knowing fully what he was capable of, was able to feel Cell’s power and was unimpressed:

http://www.mangapanda.com/105-3064-3/dragon-ball/chapter-415.html

But then we never see the fight play out because of punk ass Vegeta! But we do have this. Cell prepares to finish Vegeta, and Gohan, fearing for Vegeta’s life, jumping in the way. Fearing for Vegeta’s life.

http://www.mangapanda.com/105-3064-10/dragon-ball/chapter-415.html

FEARing

http://www.mangapanda.com/105-3064-11/dragon-ball/chapter-415.html

FEAR!!!!

Gohan allowed Cell to injure him because he allowed the FEAR into his heart!

Now we all know that more powerful fighters can be harmed by weaker fighters right? We also know that when the stronger fighter lowers his Ki, whether purposely or otherwise, he can be severely injured by weak sauce guy like Krillin:

http://www.mangapanda.com/105-2952-14/dragon-ball/chapter-303.html

And Gohan when was injured and at half power he was afraid. He felt the FEAR:

http://www.mangapanda.com/105-3065-1/dragon-ball/chapter-416.html
http://www.mangapanda.com/105-3065-2/dragon-ball/chapter-416.html

Just look and that FEAR in his face! Hence why his power was so low!

And Cell, by his own admission wasn’t “playing around anymore”

http://www.mangapanda.com/105-3064-14/dragon-ball/chapter-415.html

So Gohan at half mast was able to hold back a non “playing around” Cell! Impressive. But wait there’s more!

http://www.mangapanda.com/105-3066-6/dragon-ball/chapter-417.html

“You haven’t released all of your power yet”. Possibly because he still had FEAR in his heart? He needed his anger boost!

And then once he really got angry, most likely due to having his father scream in his ear, he was able to outright overpower a non “playing around” albeit possibly slightly “distracted” Super Perfect Cell!

http://www.mangapanda.com/105-3066-8/dragon-ball/chapter-417.html
http://www.mangapanda.com/105-3066-9/dragon-ball/chapter-417.html
http://www.mangapanda.com/105-3066-10/dragon-ball/chapter-417.html

So we know that Gohan’s power rises and falls due to his emotion far more than anyone else in the series. We also know that his anger swells his power while, much like Hal Jordan, FEAR limits him. So I say unto you, that it was not Cell’s own power that was responsible for Gohan’s injury but Gohan’s own FEAR that was the culprit. Without it Gohan would have wiped the floor with Cell for a second time.

All of this is 100% fact and not speculation at all. Suck on that!!!

great points another example of this is in the bojack movie before he exploded into full powered ssj2.

gohan has always had a timid personality. and his power has always been controlled by his emotions

Originally posted by yungz22
you should go back and look while goku was ssj3 fighting super buu when the gotenks fusion wore off goku specifically said "you dont plan to beat me like that do you?

Like I said above: don't mention DBZ 'facts', if you're not sure they're *actual* facts. Makes you look even dumber.

Per the manga, Goku alone was still FAR weaker than Super Buu:
http://i.imgur.com/VDEKIs7.gif

Canon>you.

Also, I ignored the Cell BS you spewed, because frankly, it's idiotic. 👆

Originally posted by Galan007
This was not stated in the manga, therefore it is non-canon anime filler. Here's the whole scene:
http://i.imgur.com/ZittUG7.gif
http://i.imgur.com/tR0xfCa.gif
http://i.imgur.com/GQGg42W.gif
http://i.imgur.com/KWWKJng.gif

Like I said above: don't mention DBZ 'facts', if you're not sure they're *actual* facts. Makes you look even dumber.

Per the manga, Goku alone was still FAR weaker than Super Buu:
http://i.imgur.com/VDEKIs7.gif

Canon>you.

Also, I ignored the Cell BS you spewed, because frankly, it's idiotic. 👆

how is it idiotic did cell not state that he was done playing around?

http://www.mangapanda.com/105-3064-14/dragon-ball/chapter-415.html

Originally posted by yungz22
how is it idiotic did cell not state that he was done playing around?

http://www.mangapanda.com/105-3064-14/dragon-ball/chapter-415.html

...Which tells us that he WAS holding back and therefore TOYING with Gohan. Simple.

And the very next page is when Vegeta delivers his cheap-shot blast, which distracted Cell and gave Gohan the window he needed to gain the upper hand.

And a huge LOL @ you blatantly ignoring my Buu post. You were so confident with your stance until I crushed it. 😂

Originally posted by Galan007
Yeah, I could buy that.... IF Cell didn't say THIS several pages later:

...Which tells us that he WAS holding back and therefore TOYING with Gohan. Simple.

And the very next page is when Vegeta delivers his cheap-shot blast, which gives Gohan the window he needed to gain the upper hand.

And a huge LOL @ you blatantly ignoring my Buu post. You were so confident with your stance until I crushed it. 😂

ok thats fine i didnt look at he manga buu part you want a cookie... how does that change the fac that goku has never been wrong about a fight or that someone at half strength is not a handicap in cells favor.

saying im going to finish you now then powering up and releasing a blast then then saying this is the end in no way and releasing that attacks final burst of energy shape or form is toying around.

Originally posted by yungz22
ok thats fine i didnt look at he manga buu part you want a cookie...

I'm just glad you finally admitted that you were WAY off with one of your points. That's progress. 👆

Originally posted by yungz22
saying im going to finish you now then powering up and releasing a blast then then saying this is the end in no way shape or form toying around

Cell's statement tells us that he had been HOLDING BACK up until that point(ie. toying with Gohan) and was about to stop dicking around and kill him outright--but Vegeta intervened immediately afterward, subsequently saving Gohan's ass. Said statement literally cannot be interpreted any other way, no matter how you try and twist it. 👆

Originally posted by Galan007
I don't like cookies, but thanks anyway. 👆

I'm just glad you finally admitted that you were WAY off with one of your points. That's progress. 👆

Lol, wut..?

Cell's statement tells us that he had been HOLDING BACK up until that point(ie. toying with Gohan) and was about to stop dicking around and kill him outright until Vegeta intervened. It literally cannot be interpreted any other way, no matter how you try and twist it.

im not way off with anything. fine ill use a different example since the dialogue was "filler" if you at max strength can bench 300lbs then all of a sudden one day your sick and can only lift 150lbs. thats half strength and a significant loss in power. another person who could lift 280lbs would beat you in a competition of strength that day why you ask? because your at 50% strength you were handicapped. normally you would beat him if you were at full strength but because you were handicapped and unable to tap into your full strength youd lose.

50% power loss is drastic in every facet of life whether it be you car engine all the way to the hiroshima nuke

dude he liteally said he was going to end this quickly shoots the kamehameha and then says this is the end while he hes beating gohan that in no way shape or form is playing around.... your the one twisting his words and adding spec to what the man is saying.

Originally posted by yungz22
im not way off with anything. fine ill use a different example since the dialogue was "filler" if you at max strength can bench 300lbs then all of a sudden one day your sick and can only lift 150lbs. thats half strength and a significant loss in power. another person who could lift 280lbs would beat you in a competition of strength that day why you ask? because your at 50% strength you were handicapped. normally you would beat him if you were at full strength but because you were handicapped and unable to tap into your full strength youd lose.

50% power loss is drastic in every facet of life whether it be you car engine all the way to the hiroshima nuke

Originally posted by yungz22
dude he liteally said he was going to end this quickly shoots the kamehameha and then says this is the end while he hes beating gohan that in no way shape or form is playing around.... your the one twisting his words and adding spec to what the man is saying.

Not surprised you're ignoring evidence AGAIN. You've literally done so since post #1 in this thread. It's just funny(in a sad kind of way) at this point. 👆

Originally posted by Galan007
You implied that SSJ3 Goku could beat Buu. You were WRONG. Admit that your 'analogy' was laughably faulty and move on. Stop trying to save face. 👆

Again you're ignoring the page I posted(which came AFTER the page you mentioned) in which Cell outright tells us that he was done phucking around.

Not surprised you're ignoring evidence. You've literally done so since post #1 in this thread. Troll is troll I suppose.

the ananlogy was worng because it wasnt in the manga i thought ssj3 goku could beat buu becasue of word goku said in the manga thats irrelavent becasue i was using that instance as a comparision to gohan losing power against cell. since the goku thing was worng because of a technicality i just showed you a different exapmle that show can be compared to gohan and cell.

if me and you are playing a basketballl game of 21 and you say "im gonna finish this now" and then you drop 20pts straight and on the last point you say "this is the end." that doesnt mean you are playing around in fact its the exact opposite.
cell said im gonna finish this now shot the kamehameha and was about to kill gohan and said this is the end that is not playing around.

lemme ask you a question so what your saying is cell words are inconsistant?