Stacked team vs. SSJ2 Gohan

Originally posted by yungz22
leem ask you a question so what your saying is cell words are inconsistant?

That said, Cell may have originally claimed that he was going to 'finish off' Gohan(your page), BUT we found out several pages later(my page) that he was actually holding back the entire--as THAT was when he finally decided to stop playing around, and was going to kill Gohan... Then Vegeta intervened, thus saving Gohan's life.

So again, Cell's last word on the subject tells us that he had been HOLDING BACK and TOYING with Gohan up to that point. Cell's final statement on the matter=the most canon statement on the matter.

Originally posted by Galan007
New info supersedes old info--that's just how fiction in general works(especially when a character makes contradictory claims.)

That said, Cell may have originally claimed that he was going to 'finish off' Gohan(your page), BUT we found out several pages later(my page) that he was actually holding back the entire--as THAT was when he finally decided to stop playing around, and was going to kill Gohan... Then Vegeta intervened, thus saving Gohan's life.

So again, Cell's last word on the subject tells us that he had been HOLDING BACK and TOYING with Gohan up to that point. Cell's final statement on the matter=the most canon statement on the matter.

Cell never said he was holding back so you cant just say hes holding back especially if the two sentences are spoken within such a short amount of time and within the same movement that makes no sense. Your just adding your speculation to it

Which is what you're doing by saying Gohan was 1. At half power, and 2. Holding back against Cell, even though he stated himself that he wasn't.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Which is what you're doing by saying Gohan was 1. At half power, and 2. Holding back against Cell, even though he stated himself that he wasn't.

So gohan wasnt at half power?

Originally posted by yungz22
Cell never said he was holding back so you cant just say hes holding back especially if the two sentences are spoken within such a short amount of time and within the same movement that makes no sense. Your just adding your speculation to it

Yes, that statement incontrovertibly tells us Cell WAS holding back against/toying with Gohan, up to that point. Your inability to recognize SIMPLE literary concepts is truly astounding. facepalm

Originally posted by Galan007
[B]"WELL, THIS IS THE END. I'M GOING TO FINISH YOU NOW!"

Yes, that statement incontrovertibly tells us Cell WAS holding back against/toying with Gohan, up to that point. Your inability to recognize SIMPLE literary concepts is truly astounding. facepalm [/B]

so cell's words are inconsistent then?

Inconsistency has nothing to do with it. I mentioned why above.

Another good example is when Goku originally told us that he couldn't have beaten Fat Buu as a SSJ3. However, we learned later on in the story that he could have effortlessly shit-stomped Fat Buu at any point, if he really wanted to... It is the EXACT same case with SPC/Gohan in that regard.

So again: new info supersedes old info. That's just how fiction in general works--especially when a character makes contradictory claims.

Originally posted by Galan007
Inconsistency has nothing to do with it. I mentioned why above.

Another good example is when Goku originally told us that he couldn't have beaten Fat Buu as a SSJ3. However, we learned later on in the story that he could have effortlessly shit-stomped Fat Buu at any point, if he really wanted to... It is the EXACT same case with SPC/Gohan in that regard.

So again: new info supersedes old info. That's just how fiction in general works--especially when a character makes contradictory claims.

ok so thats a yes cell's words are inconsistent thus taking away the credibility of his words his.

goku's words have been the most consistant troughout the entire show hesnever been wrong about who can beat who. If he says gohan can beat cell then that must be the case based on goku's statements, all the evidence that galan posted that you disregarded, and gohan's natural timid nature and hate for destruction.

goku couldnt stomp fat buu but its def possible that he could have beat him when did he ever deny that he could beat buu. he just wanted the other z fighters to take care of him.

Originally posted by yungz22
ok so thats a yes cell's words are inconsistent thus taking away the credibility of his words his.

goku's words have been the most consistant troughout the entire show hesnever been wrong about who can beat who. If he says gohan can beat cell then that must be the case based on goku's statements, all the evidence that galan posted that you disregarded, and gohan's natural timid nature and hate for destruction.

Another 😂 @ your self-ownage. You realize I'm Galan, right? 😆

Originally posted by yungz22
when did he ever deny that he could beat buu.

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It was only toward the end of the saga that we learned he actually could've stomped Fat Buu:

The EXACT same literary logic applies to the SPC/Gohan statements. Cell may have originally said that he was going to 'finish' Gohan, but as he clarified a few pages later upon saying: "WELL, THIS IS THE END. I'M GOING TO FINISH YOU NOW!", he was actually holding back and toying with Gohan up until that point. Simple logic is simple.

Originally posted by Galan007
More trollish ignoring of evidence. I've come to expect nothing less from you. 👆

Another 😂 @ your self-ownage. You realize I'm Galan, right? 😆

Goku originally stated that he couldn't beat Fat Buu, on TWO separate occasions:

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It was only toward the end of the saga that we learned he actually could've stomped Fat Buu:

The EXACT same literary logic applies to the SPC/Gohan statements. Cell may have originally said that he was going to 'finish' Gohan, but as he clarified a few pages later upon saying: "WELL, THIS IS THE END. I'M GOING TO FINISH YOU NOW!", he was actually holding back and toying with Gohan up until that point. Simple logic is simple. [/B]

Oh ok i havent read the manga in a while so somethings are a lil blurry

The thing is goku using his words stated that he held back on purpose and why he did he wanted the others to fight buu..... Cell on the other hand has never stated that he held back therefore you cant say he was holding back. He said he was going to finish them off and in the mists of doing so he said this is the end. That doesnt suggest he was holding back if while during the process of finish them of in one action hes letting them no that he won.

Also how does this prove that goku had ever been wrong about who could beat who

Originally posted by Galan007
[B]"WELL, THIS IS THE END. I'M GOING TO FINISH YOU NOW!"

Yes, that statement incontrovertibly tells us Cell WAS holding back against/toying with Gohan, up to that point. Your inability to recognize SIMPLE literary concepts is truly astounding. facepalm [/B]

Originally posted by Galan007

In you context it does but thats only because you alterd it with your speculation. There is nothing that suggest cell was toying around.

Unless cell tells us the reasoning behind his words you cant just decide what his intentions were.

Goku told us his intentions and why he says the things he said cell however did not.

Again just because he said this is the end doesnt automatically mean that he was toying with gohan especially since he said he was going to finish them off literally a minute before....

Cell said he was going to finish this off then shoots kamehameha and while he is winning and just before hes about to kill them all he says this is the end. Thats not toying around.

If me and you are in a race, a fight, a sporting even anything competitive really, and i say im done playing around with you im about to win this and then just before i win ,whether it be racing fighting or anything else i say this is the end that does not mean i was toying with you. In fact it bolsters the fact that i was done toying with you and letting you know that its over right before its over.

If cell wanted to toy around with them he wouldve beat the shit out of them and tortured them the same way frieza toyed with vegeta.

Originally posted by yungz22
In you context it does but thats only because you alterd it with your speculation. There is nothing that suggest cell was toying around.

Tbh, all you have done thus far is try and dodge, deflect, ignore, and red-herring your way through this 'debate'. You are terrible at this, truly... Possibly the worst. I have never crushed someone THIS thoroughly, though, so thank you for that. 👆

Anyway, your BS has become far too stupid/circular to carry my interest any longer. You may have the last word you so desperately crave. I'm done with you. 👆

I'm curious if Galan can even eat after this debate, if I recall correctly "slow" people make him lose his appetite.

It's the visual of them that sickens me, so I should be safe. 👆

Actually yungz is kinda right it literally makes no sense to say that cell was playing even tho he said he was done playing around and was about to finish gohan off rather quickly its not like the beam struggle lasted for a long time or anything. Cell was handling business rather adamantly its just that gohan's fear inhibited his ability to tap into his power.

First off, you're wrong. Look at the statements again, genius.

Secondly, be quiet, we all know you're a sock.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
First off, you're wrong. Look at the statements again, genius.

Secondly, be quiet, we all know you're a sock.

what are you talking about once again theres no need for the insults. I actually disagree with yungz about gohan being able to beat cell at that point. Only thing i agree with him about is that cell was def not holding back.

If gohan was at full strength however i do think he would have beaten cell. During the clash gohan although losing very badly still held his own at half strength and one arm.

I can see where yungz is coming from. Say you are arm wrestling someone, which is relatable to the beam struggle. You say before it starts "not playing around" and then right as you are about to win you say "I'm going to end this now".

But Galan's argument makes perfect sense as well. I think this is a time when it can be taken either way.

See, I'm totally fine with that opinion. It's the blatant ignoring of facts that I had a problem with. 👆