Cage Match - Superman and Hulk teamup

Originally posted by Stoic
Why try to make things as personal as you can? Why make assumptions? You have no idea what I have read. The Hulk is being used here, and depending on how you look at it, the Hulk is never on the same level. What has this Hulk done? I'm not talking old school stories of the Hulk, except with the Abomination/Thor comment. What has the indestructible era Hulk done?

KH lost to BM, deal with it. If you want to turn things around, while ignoring what happened on panel, that is up to you. Perhaps we may have even comprehended the battle differently, which is possible. All the same BM won the fight. KH could not take the power that he was hit with. The End. KH was also strong enough to break the Juggernaut's kneecaps. Wasn't that the same Juggernaut that fought WW Hulk at Xavier's school? Again this is not about BM, or Sentry. Not sure why you brought that into this thread?

Also just look for any fight that Thor has had with the Abomination, and any fight that Hercules has had with him while you're at it. This shows that he is not always Herald level, it also shows that he takes a considerable amount of time to ramp up to that level. No one has to give him that time. If this was the Hulk at his WW Hulk power control levels I can see him going up against Sungod, and winning. I'm only saying that the current Hulk has to prove that he can win against the big challenges, and can not be given any wins until he proves that he can actually win. Indestructible Hulk has done nothing to make me believe that he would beat the Surfer, or Morg. No offense intended. Don't take it personally, you did not create the Hulk, and the writer's do not agree that this Hulk, can do the things that WW Hulk era Hulk could do. It's obvious Carver.

😐 Are you really asking me what Hulk has done recently? Really? Have you been reading any of his material? His least attractive ft is one shot ko'ing Attuma. Just read his material and then Holla back at me. I'm not naming 10 yrs worth of showings to prove a point. Who has Blue Marvel defeated for you to believe he is as high as you are making him out to be?

Lol...no, that wasn't the same Juggernaut Hyperion fought. The one WWH fought was being blessed by Cytorrak. The one that fought Hyperion was depowered. Ironman subdued that same Jugs with some type of force field...lol.

Show me Thor two piecing Abomination though.

WTF, did you really bring up Hercules and Thor fights? Not trying to be personal here but I just want you to back your claims. What Herc and Thor fight are you talking about because I think you are seeing things I don't know about.

I just want you to enlighten me on the showings you are bringing up. I showed you Hulk taking a serum before facing Sun God. That was NOT indestructible Hulk. Don't know what Hulk that was. The guy was reading variables before the fight begun. Hickman made it clear that wasn't your average Hulk by introducing the scene with the serum.

I understand you like WWH but there's no need to lowball the other Hulk's because of it...especially if you haven't been reading up on the character.

Was talking about how Hercules, and Thor has dealt with the Abomination. Unlike the Hulk, the Abomination remains on a constant level. This shows that when the Hulk fights Thor, and Hercules, that he actually has to rise to their level, because he does not begin at their level, but instead, at a level well inferior to theirs. Do you understand what I'm getting at here? CIS off, what stops them from KOing him the moment the battle begins? He would not be at their level in an instant. It's really something to think about, and it's a fact about the character, that can't be overlooked. WW Hulk era Hulk is completely different. He actually ramps up to High herald, and beyond instantly. I'm not sure why you are having such a hard time understanding this. perhaps I didn't explain myself properly. If so apologies.

Originally posted by Stoic
Was talking about how Hercules, and Thor has dealt with the Abomination. Unlike the Hulk, the Abomination remains on a constant level. This shows that when the Hulk fights Thor, and Hercules, that he actually has to rise to their level, because he does not begin at their level, but instead, at a level well inferior to theirs. Do you understand what I'm getting at here? CIS off, what stops them from KOing him the moment the battle begins? He would not be at their level in an instant. It's really something to think about, and it's a fact about the character, that can't be overlooked. WW Hulk era Hulk is completely different. He actually ramps up to High herald, and beyond instantly. I'm not sure why you are having such a hard time understanding this. perhaps I didn't explain myself properly. If so apologies.

Lololol...huh? He starts off inferior to them? Where did you get that from? Provide some scans backing it. Hulk starts off at elite tier and has been proving this for the longest. For some strange reason you like Doc Green. You do know that Doc said that his mind has caught up with the power of his body. Nothing has increased on Doc Green except his mentality and Doc is still showing High Herald level strength at a calm state and again, he has not become more powerful than his previous dumb self per his own words.

For real though. Be honest with me...have you been keeping up with Hulk at all? Serious question. A calm Indestructible Hulk punched a ship the size of a continent across space. Is this something you can see Thor or Herc doing on average. I don't understand you...it seems like sometimes you parade for Hulk but know little about the character.

Meh. How is he defeating two pg wielders?

Originally posted by Stoic
^How do they get past 7? I see an argument being made for 6, but 7?

PG User have been koed in the past.

Agreed. I really dont see whats so hard to grasp about that.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Stop at 5

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Champions showing against Thanos shows that there is no way that Hulk and Superman can take him out Physically. IMO

If they are not jobbing with the PG for comics sake they will not lose.

Has someone hacked Stoics account? 😂

Oh and they stop at 7. Champion mastered the PG and how to draw on all of it's power. Tbh Champion could probably solo.

Originally posted by The Sorrow
Has someone hacked Stoics account? 😂

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Originally posted by The Sorrow
Has someone hacked Stoics account? 😂

Oh and they stop at 7. Champion mastered the PG and how to draw on all of it's power. Tbh Champion could probably solo.

No one hacked a thing. The Hulk needs time to ramp up. This is how it has always been, and will always be. You know this as well as anyone that has read the Hulk. If they get by 6, they aren't passing 7. When was the last time that you saw the Hulk get the better of a physical fight with the Surfer? And not a weakened one. You can't automatically give him the win here. Morg also has the power cosmic, and should be able to amplify his power just like the Surfer can. This goes for Firelord as well. Are they allowed to amplify their strength here, or is it only the Hulk that is able to do that? If that's the case then the Champion and Drax may as well be wearing powerless gems.

I'm asking you to just take a minute and think about it. It's not as if Team Cosmic are push overs.

Originally posted by Stoic
No one hacked a thing. The Hulk needs time to ramp up. This is how it has always been, and will always be. You know this as well as anyone that has read the Hulk. If they get by 6, they aren't passing 7. When was the last time that you saw the Hulk get the better of a physical fight with the Surfer? And not a weakened one. You can't automatically give him the win here. Morg also has the power cosmic, and should be able to amplify his power just like the Surfer can. This goes for Firelord as well. Are they allowed to amplify their strength here, or is it only the Hulk that is able to do that? If that's the case then the Champion and Drax may as well be wearing powerless gems.

I'm asking you to just take a minute and think about it. It's not as if Team Cosmic are push overs.

I agree they won't get past 7, but Surfer has never shown he can physically overpower the Hulk in their encounters other than the time Surfer amped off Hulks radiation. It's usually Hulk who comes across as physically stronger but Surfer has his number so far because of his exotic powerset. Their only straight physical brawl had Hulk defeat him in 3 punches when both were weakened.

Surfer would get broken in a straight fist fight which is what this is, and Superman is just as strong as Hulk is. Too much power imo.

Originally posted by Stoic
No one hacked a thing. The Hulk needs time to ramp up. This is how it has always been, and will always be. You know this as well as anyone that has read the Hulk. If they get by 6, they aren't passing 7. When was the last time that you saw the Hulk get the better of a physical fight with the Surfer? And not a weakened one. You can't automatically give him the win here. Morg also has the power cosmic, and should be able to amplify his power just like the Surfer can. This goes for Firelord as well. Are they allowed to amplify their strength here, or is it only the Hulk that is able to do that? If that's the case then the Champion and Drax may as well be wearing powerless gems.

I'm asking you to just take a minute and think about it. It's not as if Team Cosmic are push overs.

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Skaar matched Surfer in a physical brawl and both were amping. Are you going to sit here and tell me Skaar is physically more powerful than Hulk?

Originally posted by carver9
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Skaar matched Surfer in a physical brawl and both were amping. Are you going to sit here and tell me Skaar is physically more powerful than Hulk?

Come on Carver lol stop

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Come on Carver lol stop

I know right. The Surfer wasn't even trying against Skaar.

Originally posted by Stoic
I know right. The Surfer wasn't even trying against Skaar.

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Also, Thor was able to cave Surfer head in with a headbutt. Are you really implying Thor is stronger than Hulk?

You can't compare Thor fights with Surfer against Surfer fights with Hulk. Thor has Surfers number. Surfer has Hulks..it's basic comic book knowledge.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
You can't compare Thor fights with Surfer against Surfer fights with Hulk. Thor has Surfers number. Surfer has Hulks..it's basic comic book knowledge.

But Surfer isn't PHYSICALLY taking Hulk down during those fights though...He is getting exotic when he face the Hulk. That's not Stoic argument.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Stop at 8, Thanos goes down though.

You're a clown... Thanos would obviously last longer than DS

Originally posted by Fifthchild
Which obviously doesnt prove anything. Superman was constantly being surprised by the Hulk - see his remarks later in the fight when he wondered if Hulk had been hurt worse by the missiles or by his punch into the mountain.

Why didnt Superman just fly out of it? This is a giant stretch.