Cage Match - Superman and Hulk teamup

Originally posted by quanchi112
Characters fight in character not how you want them too. This isn't cbr the pitiful ghost town that it currently is by the way.

Quit ignoring the evidence which is the comics themselves and piggybacking selective feats. Not how it works, sport.

One of the overall silliest things I've read on this forum. Ignoring the evidence? The evidence that Superman clearly has super speed?

It's either the guy has super speed or he does not. Choose, but sure as hell do not speak about ignoring evidence, since you are ignoring all the evidence of super speed in order to support some silly version of a fight where a character fights like a retard because you merely can't accept they would otherwise stomp? Deal with the fact speed is an advantage, deal with the fact they don't always use it *because that is comics* not because that is a deep seated fear inside a character to be so afraid or unwilling to use their speed.

Before you say anything else, Superman can control himself, so his no killing code doesn't prevent him from using speed. It's just people like you who can't differentiate from when a character is not doing something because it is their personality and when someone is doing something to fit the plot.

Originally posted by carver9
So I ignore these characters entire history based on an assumption? I ignore the fact that Surfer has been challenged by people far less versatile than him and sometimes lost. Let's flip this...Surfer has every last one of Superman's powers plus interest. Does Surfer stomp Superman 10/10 based on him being capable of doing anything? Do i ignore comics and just say "Surfer opens a black hole in Superman brain 10/10 for the win? Or do I stick by the "in character" rule which shows us people like Superman can give Surfer a fight and possibly win? We do not ignore what happens in comics to suit a character needs. We don't debate off powerset, we use scans to back our claim...comic book showings, not Internet myths. Gladiator speed piss on Darkseid speed but I don't think anyone here would give Gladiator the majority against him. If you're going to sit here and use the speed argument for Superman, make sure you share the wealth with the other characters.

Lol...have you been keeping up with Hulk?

You keep focusing on how you ignore the fact Surfer has been challenged by people far less versatile. But you have no problem ignoring the evidence of his super speed, and all that.

The problem with "in character" fights is they do not always make sense. I don't know how you expect to have any type of meaningful debate if you keep talking about "in character" nonsense. No, nothing in character about Superman not using his speed. That is generally not a part of his character itself, it's just bad writing. You need to learn to recognize the difference. He has a variety of occasions where he does use speed, so it *makes no sense* to say it's not in character.

Why bother debating at all if you ignore half the evidence to support some half assed fight? Why is it so important for you to feel characters who in reality have no business fighting..could actually fight? I don't get it. Instead of putting Superman up against those with no speed and sticking your fingers in your ears everytime the fact the guy has speed is brought up...put him up against someone with similar speed. Or take the speed away. But don't sit there with arguments about Silver Surfer getting challenged by lesser beings as if it proves..anything other then "that is comics".

Spider-Man fought Surfer before. Survived energy blasts from him, had the dude tripping and falling off his board when he hit a line of webbing, and all that. Spider-Man just became a beast now because of your logic. No wonder they were calling him "Superior" recently. It wasn't because Doc Ock's mind was in him, it was because they just realized this is Spider-Man the Herald Feller.

they won't beat the power gem duo via ko in a non-pis match up. they def don't beat ds and thanos.