Originally posted by ODG
The more I read the issue, the more it began to sink in. Something ain't right. Doom's been given all that he desired. And I think that's by design, but not by his own. I think he's been fooled into complacency by the Beyonders as a ploy to keep him from jeopardizing their plans. As Rabum Alal, Doom was the one who came closest to threatening them.In which case, this isn't Doom-wank. He's been set up. A fantasy to sublimate his defiance.
And it's up to the Resurrection Survivors and the Cabal to tear it all down.
Excellent theory.
If this turns out to be true I'm sending Hickman a picture of my boner in the mail.
^ Either that, or Doom has simply fooled the inhabitants of Battleworld into believing that he's basically TOAA--not unlike he did to the Black Swans with his Rabum Alal ruse. I'd be fine with either of those tomfooleries, personally... Just as long as there's more to his 'rise to power' than meets the eye.
I'm also wondering when/if Beyonder will factor into this story..? I certainly hope he plays no part in it, but his stage has certainly been set, imo(I believe the references to his past shenanigans were Chekhov's Gun in full-effect.) /shrug
^ The main difference between his roles as God Emperor Doom and Rabum Alal is that on Battleworld, he actually appears to possess godly powers not strictly tied to being a Molecule Man-killer. He definitely stopped Baron Sinister from killing Braddock with a casual wave of his hand. Not something completely out of Doom's capabilities, but it just struck me as being godly. Well... that and the fact he's got a Galactus standing around like a watchdog. Could Battleworlds denizens and an army of Thors be fooled? Maybe, but not Galaxtus.
I have another theory where Doom knows all this but has lost his will to defy the Beyonders because he thinks there's no hope. After all, the Beyonders succeeded in destroying everything and overcoming his final Rabum Alal gambit. Doom had to settle for salvaging from the scraps of the Marvel Multiverse. There's just this sense of sheer regret I get from God Emperor Doom with his displays of mercy and the way Risic draws him and his eyes. And his fire to resist will be rekindled by the existence of the Resurrection Survivors and Cabal. A fact that shows the Beyonders haven't destroyed everything.
All speculation, but God Emperor Doom just doesn't strike me as being the ultimate enemy here. And if he's not, then the Beyonders are.
Originally posted by ODG
I have another theory where Doom knows all this but has lost his will to defy the Beyonders because he thinks there's no hope. After all, the Beyonders succeeded in destroying everything
Did they? I'm not so sure. It seems that it was Doom that destroyed the multiverse. His "Beyonder-bomb" destroyed countless universes and (according to Black Swan) he started the incursions. But as we see here, it appears that the Incursions didn't actually destroy the universes but rather "crunched" them together to create Battleworld.
Originally posted by ODGI have a feeling that Monarch-Doom, and this bit of text from the original SW, will end up going hand-in-hand:
^ The main difference between his roles as God Emperor Doom and Rabum Alal is that on Battleworld, he actually appears to possess godly powers not strictly tied to being a Molecule Man-killer. He definitely stopped Baron Sinister from killing Braddock with a casual wave of his hand. Not something completely out of Doom's capabilities, but it just struck me as being godly. Well... that and the fact he's got a Galactus standing around like a watchdog. Could Battleworlds denizens and an army of Thors be fooled? Maybe, but not Galaxtus.I have another theory where Doom knows all this but has lost his will to defy the Beyonders because he thinks there's no hope. After all, the Beyonders succeeded in destroying everything and overcoming his final Rabum Alal gambit. Doom had to settle for salvaging from the scraps of the Marvel Multiverse. There's just this sense of sheer regret I get from God Emperor Doom with his displays of mercy and the way Risic draws him and his eyes. And his fire to resist will be rekindled by the existence of the Resurrection Survivors and Cabal. A fact that shows the Beyonders haven't destroyed everything.
All speculation, but God Emperor Doom just doesn't strike me as being the ultimate enemy here. And if he's not, then the Beyonders are.
Originally posted by ares834Doom's bomb didn't destroy 'countless' universes, it destroyed 'hundreds of thousands' of universes:
Did they? I'm not so sure. It seems that it was Doom that destroyed the multiverse. His "Beyonder-bomb" destroyed countless universes and (according to Black Swan) he started the incursions. But as we see here, it appears that the Incursions didn't actually destroy the universes but rather "crunched" them together to create Battleworld.
A staggering sum to be sure, but relative to the infinitude of universes which once comprised the multiverse in its totality, a few hundred-thousand is literally nothing.
Originally posted by ares834The destruction of the Marvel Multiverse was their goal but I'm not exactly sure of who exactly accelerated that destruction in the end. We can't even be sure of what Doom's plan was exactly. All we saw was a defiant Doom coming to the realization that something was going wrong and eventually screaming, "No!"
Did they? I'm not so sure. It seems that it was Doom that destroyed the multiverse. His "Beyonder-bomb" destroyed countless universes and (according to Black Swan) he started the incursions. But as we see here, it appears that the Incursions didn't actually destroy the universes but rather "crunched" them together to create Battleworld.
If I had to guess, Doom was trying to destroy the Beyonders. It either backfired and destroyed hundreds of thousands of universes or it was repelled and the Beyonders destroyed the hundreds of thousands of universes themselves because they were free to run rampant.
Under the same writer, Doom also made this statement after creating a universe(and all of its concepts/inhabitants) from nothingness with the IG:
Playing God/TOAA is beneath Doom, per Doom.
...So why do you think his stance on the matter has completely changed from then to now? Or do you think this is further suggestive of a grand subterfuge currently in-play?
^ It's further suggestive. Doom's attitude in that scene is basically the same as in Emperor Doom. So if Hickman is being consistent, then I think God Emperor Doom is a Victor full of nothing but regret and shame over his inability to defeat the Beyonders. So he's resigned (damned?) himself to caretaking over the scraps of the Marvel Multiverse almost as self-inflicted penance.
Battleworld is his failure. Not his triumph. So he suffers through petty governance/bureaucracy..
But that's my second theory. I think my first theory where he's been hoodwinked is more likely.
I agree. 👆
In fact, the more I read SW #2, the more I doubt the legitimacy of God Doom's alleged omnipotence. IF he truly is all-powerful, then he evidently doesn't care enough about his position as Emperor to rule with an iron fist, and ensure that all the inhabitants of Battleworld follow his every whim--he is well aware that certain factions plot to overthrow him, for example, but does nothing about it personally. He also allows potential threats to his Kingdom to exist--he merely erected a wall around his Kingdom, patrolled by the Thor Police, to keep out 'seasonal' threats, like: the Zombie horde, Annihilation Wave and Ultron AI, for example, instead of simply eliminating them outright with his 'God-powa'. He also doesn't seem to be aware that The Cabal and Resurrection Survivors(presumably) are alive on Battleworld(Valeria is who discovered that), which means he is not all-knowing.
So the way I see it, there are two possibilities:
a.) He is omnipotent, and simply thinks he is beyond having to address such petty matters personally--only acting when he needs to.
b.) He isn't omnipotent, and can't handle said threats personally--which is why he has his Thor Police, pet Galactus/Franklin, etc.
Originally posted by Galan007
^ Either that, or Doom has simply fooled the inhabitants of Battleworld into believing that he's basically TOAA--not unlike he did to the Black Swans with his Rabum Alal ruse. I'd be fine with either of those tomfooleries, personally... Just as long as there's more to his 'rise to power' than meets the eye.I'm also wondering when/if Beyonder will factor into this story..? I certainly hope he plays no part in it, but his stage has certainly been set, imo(I believe the references to his past shenanigans were Chekhov's Gun in full-effect.) /shrug
Does anyone think that there may be realms that have survived? I was thinking about Shuma and the M.A.O. Seems like nothing has been mentioned about them dying.
And not to harp on about it. But the denizens of the White Hot Room, it seems like not everything has been explained with regards tot hem 2 areas.
