Re: Prodigal Knight Story vs Jedi Exile Story vs Jedi Knight Story
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
From what we seen strictly in the video games, what story did you feel was the greatest and most memorable? Revan's, The Exile's, or the Hero of Tython's? Did you feel they connected with each other in a good manner? Explain your answer.
I know I'll get hated for this but personally I liked the Hero of Tython's story the most.
I'm not sure why but the first two just never really appealed to me that much. For the most part I just never really got invested in them. I think partly it's the fact that the HOT's story is somewhat more straightforward than the first two. I don't like things to be too complicated.
Originally posted by ares834
It is considered a classic though... Doesn't mean it's good (although I most certainly think it is).
Huh? Why? KotOR II isn't a classic for various reasons. First it's a sequel (which does hurt its status) and secondly it's reception was far more mixed. Plus it's storyline is a rehash of Planescape: Torment (which is also considered a classic). So don't see how KotOR II is a classic just because the original is.
Doesn't mean KotOR is a better game though.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
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Originally posted by ares834
Huh? Why? KotOR II isn't a classic for various reasons. First it's a sequel (which does hurt its status) and secondly it's reception was far more mixed. Plus it's storyline is a rehash of Planescape: Torment (which is also considered a classic). So don't see how KotOR II is a classic just because the original is.
It's a classic in what it introduced. The still debated Wound theory, the consequences behind every action regardless of whether it's good or bad, The idea that neither sith nor jedi are truly greater than one another, the strength of Force bonds and of course we got to get a feel for what Revan was like as a Student from Kreia. The game - contrary to what DarthMature66 thinks, was refreshing in the sense that, It wasn't just a carbon copy of the first game(Like all the COD and Halo games) Story-wise, the game wasn't trying to be like its predecessor, it was trying a pretty unique idea(Force Wounds like Nihilius/Exile) and showcasing the Extinction/Revival of the Jedi. In my opinion, it didn't need to have some big war going on, it was fine just focusing on the aspects of the force, Morality and the Exile learning about them from Kreia.
The characters were much more interesting(Jolee, HK-47 and Canderous are the only memorable characters of the first game - hell T3-M4 didn't get a personality until the KOTOR 2!)The story line was great - though broken at times. The dialogue, well written and the idea was/is pretty unique. Kotor 2 is a classic in it's own right and story-wise, it's better than its predecessor.(Lifting the maximum level cap was pretty nice too)
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That's cool. But it's plot and characters are mostly rehashes Planescape. Beyond all that, what makes KotOR a classic isn't the characters, gameplay, or even the plot but the Revan reveal which is one of the most iconic moments in gaming. KotOR II doesn't have that.
And sorry, but lifting the level cap was a terrible idea that is partially responsible for ruining the end game.
KotOR's story is the same cookie cutter BioWare's been hashing since the 90s, but it's a classic? Sounds like a double standard to me. And the idea that Revan's "reveal" which was thrown in your face literally the entire plot, so much that even Malak doesn't get why you don't know, is the one of the most iconic moments in gaming is lulzworthy. Then again we play a dude who thinks standing next to bombs is cool, so I guess we can't blame him for being stupid.
Are you serious? The Revan reveal is undoubtedly one of the most iconic moments in gaming. Absolutely no question about it. Is it as iconic as Aerith's death or drawing the Master Sword? Hell, no. Yet, still up near the top and likely in the top twenty five.
Edit: Even IGN the biggest video game web site agrees with me. Listing it as the 16th most iconic moment in gaming.
Originally posted by ares834
That's cool. But it's plot and characters are mostly rehashes Planescape. Beyond all that, what makes KotOR a classic isn't the characters, gameplay, or even the plot but the Revan reveal which is one of the most iconic moments in gaming. KotOR II doesn't have that.
Never played Planescape, i wouldn't know, yeah Revan's reveal was cool and a hell of a twist, well deserving of that spot it holds, But Plot, characters and gameplay are what make a game, not a single moment. Mass Effect is a prime example of this, Great characters, great plot, great gameplay and "epic" moments. Again I'm not denying that KoTOR is a great game - hell it's one of the best, but, personally, i greatly prefer Kotor 2.
And sorry, but lifting the level cap was a terrible idea that is partially responsible for ruining the end game.
To be fair, there was going to be a lot of content that would have let you reach that level, but it was rushed because Lucasfilms said so.
It all comes down to preference, I like KoTOR 2, you like KoTOR. agree to disagree dude.
Originally posted by ares834
http://www.ign.com/top/video-game-moments/16
Anyway, I was eight when I played this, and I knew the main character was Revan. I never got why it's such a shocker to everyone.
Still, your idea of what makes something classic is a little skewed. If something's aged and to a standard, it's a classic. Dig Dug's a "classic" and nothing happens in it. Pac-Man is a classic. The idea that with the advent of story, something "amazing" has to happen for a game to be a classic is funny.