Yeah, I'd try to change the subject too. So we've got Kreia being raped by a walking zombie, that same walking zombie apparently obsessing over/falling in love with but not really the player-character, a world-eating Eldritch abomination, that same world-eating Eldritch abomination mind-raping fools, an Obviously Evil mentor figure going on a nihilistic crusade against a cruel deified Force, three or four conservative patriarchs trying to force themselves upon the female protagonist and neuter her in an Obvious Rape Allegory, etc. and so forth.
K2 had some major potench, but botched it in favor of hipster pretentiousness. Took itself far too seriously.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Again, how does indgities equal rape? When there's torture, the fact that she was stripped of the Force, tossed out of the academy, and almost killed on the Ebon Hawk?
I mean, it's pretty damn obvious since we see the brutal torture and Force strippage before the screen cuts to black and she mutters in narration: I suffered... indignities.
Pacing of the scene, censorship, and dialogue and placement of the dialogue seem to heavily imply rape and I'd say it's pretty obvious, myself.
Why do I have the sneaking suspicion that if I critiqued K2 as being "too light and fluffy" you emo kids would be falling over yourselves to ride shotgun in the rapewagon to Grimdarkville?
Originally posted by The_Tempest
Yeah, I'd try to change the subject too. So we've got Kreia being raped by a walking zombie, that same walking zombie apparently obsessing over/falling in love with but not really the player-character, a world-eating Eldritch abomination, that same world-eating Eldritch abomination mind-raping fools, an Obviously Evil mentor figure going on a nihilistic crusade against a cruel deified Force, three or four conservative patriarchs trying to force themselves upon the female protagonist and neuter her in an Obvious Rape Allegory, etc. and so forth.K2 had some major potench, but botched it in favor of hipster pretentiousness. Took itself far too seriously.
Your points are hilariously warped to try to make them fit your premise. There was no rape, Sion's obsession wasn't dark and edgy lol, nor was Nihilus's nature or his planet-eating (any moreso from Malak genociding Telos and Taris) or Kreia's anti-Force stance. And since you can be whichever gender you want theres no inherent rape allegory in that scene, plus you can consent to it willingly if you're LS.
It took itself seriously in the serious scenes and lightly in the other scenes. Thats all.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Your points are hilariously warped to try to make them fit your premise. There was no rape, Sion's obsession wasn't dark and edgy lol, nor was Nihilus's nature or his planet-eating (any moreso from Malak genociding Telos and Taris) or Kreia's anti-Force stance. And since you can be whichever gender you want theres no inherent rape allegory in that scene, plus you can consent to it willingly if you're LS.It took itself seriously in the serious scenes and lightly in the other scenes. Thats all.
It's just so sad that someone can't possibly disagree with you on such things. But also really funny. excellent
Originally posted by The_Tempest
I mean, it's pretty damn obvious since we see the brutal torture and Force strippage before the screen cuts to black and she mutters in narration: I suffered... indignities.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
Doesn't Traya also use the word "indignities" other times with sexual connotation?
Originally posted by The_Tempest
I mean, it's pretty damn obvious since we see the brutal torture and Force strippage before the screen cuts to black and she mutters in narration: I suffered... indignities.Pacing of the scene, censorship, and dialogue and placement of the dialogue seem to heavily imply rape and I'd say it's pretty obvious, myself.
Why do I have the sneaking suspicion that if I critiqued K2 as being "too light and fluffy" you emo kids would be falling over yourselves to ride shotgun in the rapewagon to Grimdarkville?
I think its more likely that she's referring to the indignities we just saw her suffer.
I also don't think a) they'd be allowed to have rape in a star wars game, b) Avellone would write an allusion to rape so clumsily and poorly and c) Kreia wouldn't shoot Sion into the Sun immediately on her return if it was true. This is the woman who almost wiped out the Jedi Order because they said she was a bad teacher.
Originally posted by Nephthys
I think its more likely that she's referring to the indignities we just saw her suffer.
Nah, it would be an excessively poor scene in terms of pacing and direction if that were true.
Originally posted by Nephthys
I also don't think a) they'd be allowed to have rape in a star wars game,
They threw incest into it back in the '80s, why not an allusion to rape in an obscure video game?
Originally posted by Nephthys
b) Avellone would write an allusion to rape so clumsily and poorly
Would or wouldn't? Freudian slip?
Originally posted by Nephthys
and c) Kreia wouldn't shoot Sion into the Sun immediately on her return if it was true. This is the woman who almost wiped out the Jedi Order because they said she was a bad teacher.
So hacking off her hand and beating her mercilessly is easily forgiven, but rape is that extra special line to Kreia?
Originally posted by The_Tempest
Nah, it would be an excessively poor scene in terms of pacing and direction if that were true.
Not really. The scene works just as well if you take it as meaning her abuse without adding goddamn rape into it. Its actually worse if it was supposed to convey rape in such a clumsy, ambiguous manner.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
They threw incest into it back in the '80s, why not an allusion to rape in an obscure video game?
That was a mistake iirc, and totally innocent and tame. Rape is a special kind of evil.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
Would or wouldn't? Freudian slip?
"I also don't think b) Avellone would write an allusion to rape so clumsily and poorly."
Originally posted by The_Tempest
So hacking off her hand and beating her mercilessly is easily forgiven, but rape is that extra special line to Kreia?
Uh, yes?
Originally posted by Nephthys
Not really. The scene works just as well if you take it as meaning her abuse without adding goddamn rape into it. Its actually worse if it was supposed to convey rape in such a clumsy, ambiguous manner.
Yes, it would have been much better had Sion pulled out a megaphone and gave us a rape play-by-play.
Originally posted by Nephthys
That was a mistake iirc, and totally innocent and tame. Rape is a special kind of evil.
Incest is totally innocent and tame?
Originally posted by Nephthys
"I also don't think b) Avellone would write an allusion to rape so clumsily and poorly."
Ah, ok.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Uh, yes?
You're one goofy guy, Neph.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
...I'm pretty sure she wouldn't refer to consensual sex as an "indignity" bro. When I say torture, I'm referring to that brutal assbeating she got from Sion.
KotOR 1 tried way too hard to pull off the Original Trilogy story, I'd definitely take KotOR II, something very original in so far as Star Wars works go.
Anyway plot twists? the Revan reveal which was kind of in your face if you bothered to pay attention, is nothing compared to the Jade Empire plot twist. Now that was good Bioware story-telling.
Originally posted by AncientPower
Anyway plot twists? the Revan reveal which was kind of in your face if you bothered to pay attention, is nothing compared to the Jade Empire plot twist. Now that was good Bioware story-telling.
Holy crap, you play Jade Empire? sweet dude. Nice to see that game got some attention. I agree with you, back then Bioware knew how to tell stories.
Originally posted by AncientPower
I don't think anyone saw that coming, like WUT? the amnesia reveal doesn't even deserve the term plot-twist compared to that, I was sat there for about ten minutes just speechless to that shit.
I know right!? My mind was blown, Btw i'm sorry for nerding out on you, but i gotta ask. Did you bind the Assassin to you or did you set him free? and that scene where you
Spoiler:was super amazing.
return to the village and find out what ACTUALLY happened