Could Palpatine be surpassed?

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Could Palpatine be surpassed?

The Banite Sith line for the first time in the history of the Sith had created the ultimate Sith in Palpatine. But eons after his death and with his shadowing looming large over future generations, what would a future Sith lord have to accomplish in order to surpass him? Would it take a future Sith order as much time as it did for the Banite line, to work in tandem to create an order that would surpass the Grand Plan? Could one ever truly be more naturally powerful than Darth Sidious, or would an individual have to throw himself into every facet of the Darkside fully in order to accomplish that?

Both the jedi and the sith order could evolve into a higher existence perhaps like the celestials even.

They've discovered individual existence after death. Unusually powerful jedis like Luke started to show up and they even handled destructive forces like the Vong and Abeloth. After this point, the only logical outcome would be the occurrence of a jedi culture that has a higher understanding of the force and of course more powerful individuals with it which would mean more powerful sith lords too.

Yes.

No, because Lucas said so.

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joking. Were there to be, though, I'd assume it would be connected to the Skywalker lineage.

Or the Font of Power...

Plagueis probably could've if he hadn't been killed.

Re: Could Palpatine be surpassed?

Originally posted by carthage
The Banite Sith line for the first time in the history of the Sith had created the ultimate Sith in Palpatine.

History disagrees with you.

Emperor Vitiate is the first example of ultimate Sith or dark side practitioner outside entities/deities.

Originally posted by carthage
But eons after his death and with his shadowing looming large over future generations, what would a future Sith lord have to accomplish in order to surpass him? Would it take a future Sith order as much time as it did for the Banite line, to work in tandem to create an order that would surpass the Grand Plan?

Darth Krayt managed to duplicate the Grand Plan.

Didn't he?

Originally posted by carthage
Could one ever truly be more naturally powerful than Darth Sidious, or would an individual have to throw himself into every facet of the Darkside fully in order to accomplish that?

It is possible to surpass Darth Sidious in power with one of the following methods or talent pool:-

1. Sith sorcery
2. Midi-chlorian manipulation
3. Natural strength in the Force like that of Anakin Skywalker or very close

Bane was the ultimate Sith, not Sidious or Vitiate.

Re: Re: Could Palpatine be surpassed?

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
History disagrees with you.

Emperor Vitiate is the first example of ultimate Sith or dark side practitioner outside entities/deities.

Wrong on so many levels.

And yes, Palpatine can be surpassed, but not within a thousand years of his death unless the relics he used to further his knowledge and power remain, he had years of Sith sorcery to fall back on and learn, any new sith in the years after his death could not come close.

When talking about the Sith in the years after his death, Caedus came somewhat close to his power level.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Bane was the ultimate Sith, not Sidious or Vitiate.

Nah, the ultimate sith can't be a baldy.

I truly believe that no force wielder has limites, they only become as powerful as dedicated they are to becoming powerful and if they are willing to go to further lengths

True some have it easier than others based on their midicolorian count but that is just giving them a leg up not making them more powerful overall. No Force Wielder ever reached their full potential because their potential was unlimited.

Originally posted by Sinious
Nah, the ultimate sith can't be a baldy.

God of the Sith, bro.

God of the Sith.

Originally posted by Nephthys
BaneRevan was the ultimate Sith, not Sidious or Vitiate.

Darth Bane only survived because of Revan, bruh.

👆

Originally posted by Nephthys
God of the Sith, bro.

God of the Sith.

Every sith lord is technically a Sith'ari 😛

Originally posted by WildBantha88
I truly believe that no force wielder has limites, they only become as powerful as dedicated they are to becoming powerful and if they are willing to go to further lengths

So you're a Jensaaraian.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Plagueis probably could've if he hadn't been killed.

Plagueis had over 100 years on Sidious, and Sidious was already his peer by the time of Plagueis's death, so I highly doubt it.

As for the thread, it's possible, but I think it would be inappropriate, as Sidious is the ultimate villain of SW, and his connection to the dark side was deeper than any sith before or after him. It's almost as if he achieved a complete oneness with the dark side (as was suggested in Plagueis), which is why he was naturally more powerful than sith lords like Vitiate or Plagueis, despite not living nearly as long as either of them. He surpassed them in power due to his sheer potency in the dark side, his unique connection to it, and command of it. Although the ROTS novel is filled with hyperbole, it was made clear that Sidious was the darkest center of the dark sider, draining light throughout the galaxy, which is why his very death diffused the dark side, restoring balance to the force. Basically the force itself viewed Sidious as the greater threat than any sith before or after him, which is why Anakin's creation and destiny was to kill him.

This, along with his feats, is why I place Sidious far beyond even Vitiate: his natural potency and unity/unique connection with the dark side. It's not that I'm unwilling to accept Palpatine as having superiors, which I do such as The Son and Abeloth (although I think it's stupid, but I accept it nonetheless). It's not that I'm underestimating Vitiate's power with the force, I just don't see anything to suggest that he approaches Sidious's sheer natural potency with the dark side.

With the new canon, if they do create a superior villain, I would have no choice but to accept it, but, IMO, it would be just as stupid as creating another chosen one.

I know The Son is a character in the new canon, but I think it was the EU that confirmed the Mortis Family's existence, as the Mortis trilogy really didn't confirm them as being actual beings from what I recall; they seemed to be more like realistic illusions created by the force, as even the son implied to a captured Ahsoka that everything that was taking place on the planet was all in her mind. IIRC, the spirit of Qui Gon implied the same thing to Anakin before going to confront the son in an area that was the most potent with the dark side on the planet (which was similar to what Yoda told Luke before entering the cave). To me, it seemed like the force was trying to warn Anakin the dangers of using the dark side, which is why The father, towards the end of the series, admitted that trying to use and tame the dark side within his son was a mistake, because in doing so, his son was slowly consumed by it, which is what eventually happened to Anakin: the more he embraced the dark side, the more he was consumed by it, which is why he eventually became a slave to it (Darth Sidious).

lol i thought you quit. sad face

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Plagueis had over 100 years on Sidious, and Sidious was already his peer by the time of Plagueis's death, so I highly doubt it.

As for the thread, it's possible, but I think it would be inappropriate, as Sidious is the ultimate villain of SW, and his connection to the dark side was deeper than any sith before or after him. It's almost as if he achieved a complete oneness with the dark side (as was suggested in Plagueis), which is why he was naturally more powerful than sith lords like Vitiate or Plagueis, despite not living nearly as long as either of them. He surpassed them in power due to his sheer potency in the dark side, his unique connection to it, and command of it. Although the ROTS novel is filled with hyperbole, it was made clear that Sidious was the darkest center of the dark sider, draining light throughout the galaxy, which is why his very death diffused the dark side, restoring balance to the force. Basically the force itself viewed Sidious as the greater threat than any sith before or after him, which is why Anakin's creation and destiny was to kill him.

This, along with his feats, is why I place Sidious far beyond even Vitiate: his natural potency and unity/unique connection with the dark side. It's not that I'm unwilling to accept Palpatine as having superiors, which I do such as The Son and Abeloth (although I think it's stupid, but I accept it nonetheless). It's not that I'm underestimating Vitiate's power with the force, I just don't see anything to suggest that he approaches Sidious's sheer natural potency with the dark side.

Would you apply this reasoning to Malgus?