Originally posted by Nephthys
Right..... except for him achieving something really, really like it.
Aside from some vague quotes that said Malgus submitted himself to the dark side and achieved oneness, explain how it compares to the level of oneness Palpatine achieved with it and the effect he had on the force.
How about you break my post down point by point, and detail how Malgus connection and command over the dark side matched Palpatine's. There are a bunch of sith who have similar quotes to Malgus's, but none of them had the effect on the force as Palpatine did, and none of them were perceived by the force itself as being nearly as threatening as Palpatine was. Palpatine's potency with the dark side was unmatched, hence why his death brought balance to the force.
Sorry this bothers you.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Aside from some vague quotes that said Malgus submitted himself to the dark side and achieved oneness, explain how it compares to the level of oneness Palpatine achieved with it and the effect he had on the force.How about you break my post down point by point, and detail how Malgus connection and command over the dark side matched Palpatine's. There are a bunch of sith who have similar quotes to Malgus's, but none of them had the effect on the force as Palpatine did, and none of them were perceived by the force itself as being nearly as threatening as Palpatine was. Palpatine's potency with the dark side was unmatched, hence why his death brought balance to the force.
Sorry this bothers you.
"Explain how Malgus achieving oneness compares to Palpatine achieving oneness durrrrr." That's you. That's how dumb you sound.
You said Plagueis was the one who theorised that Sidious had achieved oneness. Malgus said he felt as if he'd achieved oneness. That's easily comparable. Also waaah? I don't remember other Sith saying the same thing that Malgus did? Palpatine doing all that stuff was because of the ritual he did to unbalance the Force, hence why his death balanced it again.
Lol, it doesn't. Though clearly me saying Malgus is in any way comparable to Sidious bothers you. 😛
Didn't the Plagueis novel invalidate the "Sidious is speshul" argument though? After all, the Force created Anakin to bring balance chiefly as a result of Plagueis' actions, not Sidious' actions. It was Plagueis who imposed his will on the midichlorians, Plagueis who attempted to created a human through asexual means, and Plagueis was stronger than Sidious when the two of them "waged etheric war" and unbalanced the Force through their ritual.
In light of all this, Sidious was nothing special Force-wise. He just benefited from being born at exactly the right time.
As for the OP, yes, he could be surpassed. As the ultimate champion of the Dark Side and Luke Skywalker's counterpart and ally against Abeloth, Krayt surpassed him. That's what that whole novel was all about.
Originally posted by Nephthys
"Explain how Malgus achieving oneness compares to Palpatine achieving oneness durrrrr." That's you. That's how dumb you sound. Regardless, I don't think we are talking about the same oneness. Palpatine was regarded as the most powerful expression of the dark side (DE endnotes)You said Plagueis was the one who theorised that Sidious had achieved oneness. Malgus said he felt as if he'd achieved oneness. That's easily comparable. Also waaah? I don't remember other Sith saying the same thing that Malgus did? Palpatine doing all that stuff was because of the ritual he did to unbalance the Force, hence why his death balanced it again.
Lol, it doesn't. Though clearly me saying Malgus is in any way comparable to Sidious bothers you. 😛
Yeah, unless you think that everyone who achieves oneness with the force are all equal, in which case Palpatine was a clear superior to a oneness with the force Marek. BTW, I don't think we are referring to the same state of oneness. No other sith held the same amount of control over the dark side as a whole as Sidious did.
I said "in Plaguies." Sorry for assuming you use your brain. Anyone with common sense would know I was talking about the novel and not Plagueis himself, especially since Plagueis was dead at the time.
It doesn't bother me, because what Malgus could do by entering a state of oneness (reaching his full potency), Savage could do even better just by getting angry. Savage is someone Palpatine can ragdoll while playing, but yeah Malgus compares. 🙄
The ritual shoved the force in favor of the dark side, which Palpatine asserted total control over, which is why even after Plagueis's death, Palpatine was still actively blunting out jedi sensitivity and draining the light throughout the dark side, and was stated as being the only sith to spread his his darkness throughout the galaxy. And considering that Palpatine's death was the only thing that brought the force back into balance, it had more to do than the ritual, and a lot to do with his command over the dark side.
@missmith, you forgot Yoda. Added to the other surviving jedi, the light side actually had more.
Originally posted by psmith81992
I don't think there was anything definitive about Anakin's birth being specifically designed to combat Plagueis or Sidious.. It was hinted at but nothing more..
Except for The New Essential Guide to Characters confirming that Anakin fulfilled his destiny by destroying Sidious, which restored balance.
Are you new to SW? This has been established long ago.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Yeah, unless you think that everyone who achieves oneness with the force are all equal, in which case Palpatine was a clear superior to a oneness with the force Marek.I said "in Plaguies." Sorry for assuming you use your brain. Anyone with common sense would know I was talking about the novel and not Plagueis himself, especially since Plagueis was dead at the time.
It doesn't bother me, because what Malgus could do by entering a state of oneness (reaching his full potency), Savage could do even better just by getting angry. Savage is someone Palpatine can ragdoll while playing, but yeah Malgus compares. 🙄
The ritual shoved the force in favor of the dark side, which Palpatine asserted total control over, which is why even after Plagueis's death, Palpatine was still actively blunting out jedi sensitivity and draining the light throughout the dark side, and was stated as being the only sith to spread his [I[his[/I] darkness throughout the galaxy. And considering that Palpatine's death was the only thing that brought the force back into balance, it had more to do than the ritual, and a lot to do with his command over the dark side.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Except for The New Essential Guide to Characters confirming that Anakin fulfilled his destiny by destroying Sidious, which restored balance.Are you new to SW? This has been established long ago.
Please post the scan. And Yoda was dead when Anakin "restored balance".
As always, I state facts about Palpatine's superiority over your favorite characters, you attempt to challenge me, and then play it off as if you're trolling when you realize you're no match. (lol)
Originally posted by Emperordmb
Is it theoretically possible in the context of the lore? Hell yes!Did it ever happen, and is it likely to ever happen? Nope.
It may happen. If it does, I would find it being just as stupid as creating another chosen one.
But as of now, there is only one chosen one with unmatched potential (Anakin), and one sith lord who is unmatched in power (Sidious).