Maul & Savage vs. 4 Council Member

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Thing is, Silver thoroughly addressed all the points that were brought up in those comments, so he should have easily been able to ignore the ignorance or at least copy and paste the arguments he already countered. I could see him not returning on account of absolutely nobody taking him seriously and just overlooking his hard work he puts in his analysis, but that's not the case. He was looked up to as the best SW debater there, and on the entire web as a whole by many people, for that matter. Their are plenty who learn a lot from him, and have had their opinions changed because of his arguments.

I mean, if that is the reason he left, then, I, personally, don't see it as a good reason, but that's just me. IDK, maybe he just lost interest. There are times I don't feel like debating and much rather read arguments presented by others.

Heh, I know Silver is probably the best, and I'm one of those who learned a lot from him actually. I never had a debate with him, but I enjoy reading his older analysis, because they are both feat based and very reasonable, and that's a style of debating I try to emulate, though I don't always succeed and I don't necessarily agree with all he says of course.

As for that blog, the argument in it is so often misconceived and misinterpreted in general (not just in those comments but in the forums at large) that it's no wonder he left. It must be freaking frustrating to explain it for the 10000th time, and still have people not even trying to truly understand or counter it.

Originally posted by AncientPower

EDIT: It is the ROTS Behind the scenes, I believe the Deleted Scenes.

I knew I remembered it from somewhere, just spotted it on Comic Vine.

"I decided not to kill her because I felt it was a poor death, we even had a version where Annie comes in when she is meditating and kills her in the same way.

*continues*

Shaak Ti is one of the best warrior Jedi and her skills with a laser sword are like Obi's and Mace's, but you rarely see it because she is so peaceful."

I've just watched the commentary on the Shaak Ti deleted scene, but can't find any of these comments.

Give the correct source please (preferrably a link) or we'll just have to ignore these lines as evidence.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
OMG YAAAASSSSSSS

Also matches Dooku's flat out statement that Grievous would get his shit rocked by Shaak Ti, Kenobi, Mace or Yoda.

Calm down LS. Those comments are not in the source he's claiming them to be. Comic Vine is not a source.

On the dispute over Shaak Ti's power level, it is very possible that she has grown far more powerful between TCW and TUF, so which era are we pulling from in this fight?

Nai > Silver.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Nai > Silver.

Nai is very good at rhetoric. The substance behind his rhetoric is good, but not remarkably so.

That Nai can be as good as he is without relying on the bajillion quotes that Silver does makes him more impressive in my eyes.

Silver isn't that great, he's just some sort of autistic super-nerd who spams so many quotes and feats people don't bother contradicting him.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Nai > Silver.

May I ask who he is?

A super grumpy German guy who shows up here every few months.

Originally posted by Nephthys
A super grumpy German guy who shows up here every few months.

Lol, super grumpy?

Eh. I'd put Mike Wong and Vympel/Leo1 at the top of the SW debating tier if I had to pick, even though neither really debate character versus and Wong is basically AWOL.

That Gideon guy was pretty good too I've heard, although a bit of a narcissistic little shit. Advent was pretty good too, without the narcissism.

Master Han and Rogue Gladiator I'd put just slightly below, although both deliberately dumbed down their rhetoric to better deal with the common people. At full power it's difficult to know how good they would be.

Then you have guys like Lucien who can combine competent rhetoric with this faux-badass apathetic style to mask the simpleton-level logic they throw out.

That Gideon guy was pretty good too I've heard, although a bit of a narcissistic little shit. Advent was pretty good too, without the narcissism.

Was?

Dunno where she went.

BTW, "SW_legend" has to take the cake as one of the dumbest debaters I've ever seen. The most absurd part about his style is, he obsessively throws quotes to the order of "XX was an incredibly powerful duelist" and then uses it to prove arbitrarily that he could defeat YY person. When you point out the fact that "incredibly powerful" and "beyond formidable" aren't useful descriptions, he just assures you that "this means he is an incredibly powerful combatant".

I'd take SW_Legend anyday over Hewhoknowsnothing.

Ouch.

😛

Originally posted by Nephthys
I'd take SW_Legend anyday over Hewhoknowsnothing.

Given that hewhoknowsall was a dumbass judge away from making quarterfinals at the Harvard debate tournament, he's obviously just f*cking around when he debates here, in case you haven't noticed. 🙄

Don't you mean used to debate here? 😉

Originally posted by Nephthys
Don't you mean used to debate here? 😉

No.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER

Calm down LS. Those comments are not in the source he's claiming them to be. Comic Vine is not a source.

I was overzealous clearly lol.

So i just got up, i'll look for the actual source on those statements but I did find these:

"Shaak Ti was grouped among the six "great swordbeings" of the Jedi Order" - Revenge of the Sith novelization

"There is an understated elegance in Obi-Wan Kenobi's lightsaber technique, one that is quite unlike the feel one might get from the other great swordbeings of the Jedi Order. He lacks entirely the flash, the pure bold elan of an Anakin Skywalker; there is nowhere in him the penumbral ferocity of a Mace Windu or a Depa Billaba nor the stylish grace of a Shaak Ti or a Dooku, and he is nothing resembling the whirlwind of destruction that Yoda can become.

He is simplicity itself.

That is his power." - RotS, hardcover, pg. 293-294