Originally posted by Marco1907
That was PIS,Maul & Savage already stomped Obi-Wan before.
1. He was off-guard, Savage literally surprised him. 2. He had zero time to guard. 3. They had him cornered on both sides. 4. He had one lightsaber.
Originally posted by Marco1907
That was PIS,Maul & Savage already stomped Obi-Wan before.
1. He was off-guard, Savage literally surprised him. 2. He had zero time to guard. 3. They had him cornered on both sides. 4. He had one lightsaber.
So ? If Obi-Wan is capable of fighting with Maul & Savage at the same time why did he failed to save Adi Gallia ? And why did he escaped ?
Maul just underestimated Obi-Wan there (because they were already stomped him before 2 v 1) , even though, Obi-Wan was still incapable of hurting Maul, Maul just ragdolled him with force blast.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
It's a sad day when an entire forum falls to wank and fanboyism. I mean just because Vader has better feats, or Vader killed Maul, or even that Maul's writer says that Vader is more powerful, that doesn't mean Vader is superior.
Are you complainining about Vader or Maul fanwank? Just asking. I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
It's a sad day when an entire forum falls to wank and fanboyism. I mean just because Vader has better feats, or Vader killed Maul, or even that Maul's writer says that Vader is more powerful, that doesn't mean Vader is superior.
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But seriously, literally EVERYONE except Marco says Vader wins. Either we're all morons or... well...
Only Sabers might be a good fight.
Force and All Out go to Vader, without a doubt.
Add in Opress to Maul's side and it might be a fair fight.
Originally posted by DarthChickenMan
watch?v=aE_CVWMWK74You were saying?
That was an awesome performance by Obi-Wan, but he never actually defeated Maul.
He battered Opress, but Maul showed earlier in the same episode that he was well above Opress himself.
Also Opress is a much more dangerous opponent out in the open, where he can use his Beastly Force Waves.
Just saying.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Only Sabers might be a good fight.Force and All Out go to Vader, without a doubt.
Add in Opress to Maul's side and it might be a fair fight.
Jesus, either Maul is highly underrated on this site as a result of Marco's wanking, or people think Vader is some type of demigod.
Originally posted by ILS
How is Maul vs Vader not a fair fight by itself?
Because of Vader's Crazy ass TK.
Wait, I said I wasn't going to comment on any Machine Vader fights until we got some New Canon feats, so I take it back for now.
But just bare in mind, Vader is 80% as Powerful as Sidious according to Lucas himself. And that the writer of SOD said Maul is not as powerful as Dooku or Vader.
And I've not completely wanked Vader, as I say Maul can take Sabers, although even that isn't a certainty Imho.
But many people here would not even give Maul that much.
Originally posted by ILS
Why are Maul threads full of cancer on this site?
The irony is, Marco's attempts to raise Maul on this site has had exactly the opposite effect.
If he had just gone and done a well written respect thread I am sure a lot of people would begin to see things his way.
However, he instead blindly wanks Maul and shows blatant fanboyism. This predictably results in other users retaliating with low-balling arguments and has precisely the opposite effect on this forum, respect for Maul is decreased, not increased.
We shall see if he learns from his mistake.
Originally posted by ILS
Jesus, either Maul is highly underrated on this site as a result of Marco's wanking, or people think Vader is some type of demigod.
My sentiments exactly.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Because of Vader's Crazy ass TK.Wait, I said I wasn't going to comment on any Machine Vader fights until we got some New Canon feats, so I take it back for now.
But just bare in mind, Vader is 80% as Powerful as Sidious according to Lucas himself. And that the writer of SOD said Maul is not as powerful as Dooku or Vader.
And I've not completely wanked Vader, as I say Maul can take Sabers, although even that isn't a certainty Imho.
But many people here would not even give Maul that much.
Vader being 80% as powerful as Sidious is an example of a completely unreliable statement, and IIRC it was in regards to "potential" rather than power. Either way, Vader has never been close to being powerful enough to easily ragdoll characters like Maul or Dooku, meaning he can't be 80% as powerful as someone who can.
We already knew Vader and Dooku were more powerful than Maul, so Barlow's statement doesn't really add much. However, assuming that that statement somehow adds to this notion of Vader stomping Maul is just ridiculous. Being more powerful than someone =/= stomping them.
Sabers isn't really a certainty. Their skill feats are quite even. But too many people on this site are riddled with bias, pre-conceived notions and a lack of knowledge on certain characters to come to real conclusions on things like this.
The irony is, Marco's attempts to raise Maul on this site has had exactly the opposite effect.If he had just gone and done a well written respect thread I am sure a lot of people would begin to see things his way.
However, he instead blindly wanks Maul and shows blatant fanboyism. This predictably results in other users retaliating with low-balling arguments and has precisely the opposite effect on this forum, respect for Maul is decreased, not increased.
We shall see if he learns from his mistake.
I created a couple of respect threads for Maul (and Savage actually) on CV and it certainly helped with how people viewed him. Maybe if KMC'ers had a look at them they'd stop blindly deciding anyone with TK worth their salt can stomp Maul.
He's never been a likeable character, but it gets pretty inane when people lowball him for the sake of pleasing themselves.
Originally posted by ILS
So please explain to me how Vader is going to crush Maul, and possibly even beat Maul and Savage, by virtue of telekinesis? Because unless he can provide more damage than, say, a 100 foot fall, he isn't going to be finishing anything with his Force power alone.
I didn't say he's just going to outright Crush him with Tk.
But all he has to do is defend himself in Sabers, and get in a TK attack whenever he can. After a few Tk attacks he would start to wear Maul down.
I admit saying Maul+Opress would be more of a fair fight was probably overdoing it. He'd have too difficult a time defending against both of them, and Tk'ing 1 at a time would take ages. Plus they may be able to combine their Force powers on him.
Originally posted by ILS
Vader being 80% as powerful as Sidious is an example of a completely unreliable statement, and IIRC it was in regards to "potential" rather than power. Either way, Vader has never been close to being powerful enough to easily ragdoll characters like Maul or Dooku, meaning he can't be 80% as powerful as someone who can.
Dude that was Lucas's own assessment of Vader's power level.
Originally posted by ILS
We already knew Vader and Dooku were more powerful than Maul, so Barlow's statement doesn't really add much. However, assuming that that statement somehow adds to this notion of Vader stomping Maul is just ridiculous. Being more powerful than someone =/= stomping them.
So you admit Vader is more powerful, so I don't see the issue here. I've said Saber fight would be a good one. But Vader's Tk is simply greater.
I don't see what's to argue here. Read any of my posts in other threads, I'm a big supporter of Maul. But within reason.
Originally posted by ILSI created a couple of respect threads for Maul (and Savage actually) on CV and it certainly helped with how people viewed him. Maybe if KMC'ers had a look at them they'd stop blindly deciding anyone with TK worth their salt can stomp Maul.
He's never been a likeable character, but it gets pretty inane when people lowball him for the sake of pleasing themselves.
I don't think anyone's lowballing Maul's TK here. It's just that people on these boards tend to have a very high opinion on Vader's TK. Like being on par with Sidious or Yoda's Tk.
But like I said I'm going to avoid those kind of levels until we get new canon feats from Vader.
Post your links bro. Or better yet, add them to your Avatar like Marco has done. That's why everyone sees his.
I doubt Vader's TK would really ware Maul down. Maul has gone through far worse injuries and rejuvenated himself with Dark Rage back to his usual physical levels or beyond, most notably during his Sith Lord trial. If Vader was to win it'd be through sabers, or by catching Maul off guard.
I think we agree, I just found it weird that you don't think Maul vs Vader is a fair fight by itself, or that you thought it "might" be a fair fight with Maul and Savage taking Vader on. It implied to me that you think Vader would mop the floor with Maul and could probably beat the duo without too much trouble, which is far from the case. Semantics, I guess.
Here's a link to all of my respect threads, if you want to read them:
http://www.comicvine.com/profile/i_like_swords/blog/my-respect-threads/97103/
Originally posted by ILS
I doubt Vader's TK would really ware Maul down. Maul has gone through far worse injuries and rejuvenated himself with Dark Rage back to his usual physical levels or beyond, most notably during his Sith Lord trial. If Vader was to win it'd be through sabers, or by catching Maul off guard.I think we agree, I just found it weird that you don't think Maul vs Vader is a fair fight by itself, or that you thought it "might" be a fair fight with Maul and Savage taking Vader on. It implied to me that you think Vader would mop the floor with Maul and could probably beat the duo without too much trouble, which is far from the case. Semantics, I guess.
Here's a link to all of my respect threads, if you want to read them:
http://www.comicvine.com/profile/i_like_swords/blog/my-respect-threads/97103/
I think I put the difference in their Tk larger than you do down to the 80% quite, and would say based on that and the fact that we know Vader is more powerful, that Vader wins solidly. Obviously there's no where near enough evidence (in the new canon at least) to say he stomps or mops the floor with him.
Cool, I'll have a read.
Edit- A quick look, and I already like the way you've clearly differentiated between Main Canon and Legends. Too many people here, (and at Comic Vine from what I've seen) just completely ignore that distinction.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
I think I put the difference in their Tk larger than you do down to the 80% quite, and would say based on that and the fact that we know Vader is more powerful, that Vader wins solidly. Obviously there's no where near enough evidence (in the new canon at least) to say he stomps or mops the floor with him.Cool, I'll have a read.
Edit- A quick look, and I already like the way you've clearly differentiated between Main Canon and Legends. Too many people here, (and at Comic Vine from what I've seen) just completely ignore that distinction.
I think the way Canon goes is, Legends Canon includes New Canon, but New Canon doesn't include Legends. So if something happens in TCW that is BS you can safely differentiate it from Legends. But you can use certain aspects of TCW in Legends, i.e Maul dueling evenly with Kenobi, because that's a pretty reliable encounter.