Darth Maul vs. Darth Vader

Originally posted by ILS
Eh, I just find that quote hard to believe. Sidious has exercised a hell of a lot better Force Speed than Vader, or anyone in Vader's combative tier, i.e Anakin, Maul, Dooku, and he's ragdolled characters like Maul and Dooku easily. These just aren't really feats Vader has any claim to being able to replicate. The 80% just doesn't hold up for me.

I don't think you have to be Massively more powerful to force choke someone. After all a Rage Enhanced Opress Force Choked Dooku. Yes he caught him off guard, but Sidious possibly caught Dooku off guard too.

Originally posted by ILS
I think the way Canon goes is, Legends Canon includes New Canon, but New Canon doesn't include Legends. So if something happens in TCW that is BS you can safely differentiate it from Legends. But you can use certain aspects of TCW in Legends, i.e Maul dueling evenly with Kenobi, because that's a pretty reliable encounter.

No, Legends doesn't include New Canon. It's going to be too different. Rebels is going to give a completely different take to the start of the Rebellion to TFU. And Episode 7 is going to ignore/contradict all Post ROTJ Legends EU.

Legends includes the Movies(1-6), and TCW, but anything new now is not a part of Legends.

Vader fanboys read this please ;

"And when he finds out Luke is his son, his first impulse is to figure out a way of getting him to join him to kill the Emperor. That's what Siths do! He tries it with anybody he thinks might be more powerful, which is what the Emperor was looking for in the first place: somebody who would be more powerful than he was and could help him rule the universe. But Obi-Wan screwed that up by cutting off his arms and legs and burning him up. From then on, he wasn't as strong as the Emperor -- he was like Darth Maul or Count Dooku. He wasn't what he was supposed to become. But the son could become that." --George Lucas, Rolling Stones Interview, 2005.

Lucas says, Vader is at Maul & Dooku tier, not at Sidious tier (like Plagueis, Yoda, Windu etc.)

Jeeses, even ''Clone'' of Maul kicked Vader's ass, is that so hard to understand that they are at the same level ???

You heard it here first, Vader fanboys.

Star Wars Comic Magazine 02 (2014)

http://imageshack.com/a/img908/553/jrIkwi.jpg

''It's a close call, and these two Sith are well-matched in terms of fighting skills.''

Nuff said.

Ah and there are hard-core Maul haters on this site, that is nothing to do with my fanboy wank. Really

FreshestSlice & Lord Stark for example, they don't know anything about Maul, they are just ignorance about it, and they are just wanking Obi-Wan surprise / cheap shotting Maul at Episode I, and they are lowballing Maul just because of that. Pathetic to say, really.

Lord Stark even thinks that Obi-Wan's and Maul's fighting styles are the same, and that is why he thinks Dooku can beat Maul just like he is beating Obi-Wan all the time. Lol @ ABC logic.

Originally posted by Conservative T
If you use the source to prove as much, you'll have to agree that Vader wins. Otherwise, you're sitting on a pretty big and bad double-standard.

Tell this to Vader wankers, I never said Maul stomps Vader, I just said Maul can win. But some people here says Vader stomps Maul, tell me now which is absurd ?

And why the **** I have to agree Vader wins ? It says close fight right ? I say Maul wins, and you can say Vader wins. But no one is stomping.

This is for FreshestSlice

Originally posted by Marco1907
Star Wars Comic Magazine 02 (2014)

http://imageshack.com/a/img908/553/jrIkwi.jpg

[B]''It's a close call, and these two Sith are well-matched in terms of fighting skills.''

Nuff said. [/B]

Originally posted by Marco1907
Star Wars Comic Magazine 02 (2014)

http://imageshack.com/a/img908/553/jrIkwi.jpg

[B]''It's a close call, and these two Sith are well-matched in terms of fighting skills.''

Nuff said. [/B]

You know what I find interesting about that? Vader is called acrobatic, and his so-called slowness is not listed as a weakness.

Slow robot man indeed.

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Also the fact that Vader and Maul have similar fighting skill isn't really questionable. It's the fact that Vader outclasses in Force feats that give him a major edge.

Except telekinesis doesn't really mean much to someone who tanks 100 foot falls without any damage...

You do realise TK isn't the only ability Vader has yes?

What are Vader's other combative Force powers?

Originally posted by Aurbere
You know what I find interesting about that? Vader is called acrobatic, and his so-called slowness is not listed as a weakness.

Slow robot man indeed.

Weaknesses : Heavy outfit and breathing apparatus could make it difficult for him to launch a surprise attack.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
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Also the fact that Vader and Maul have similar fighting skill isn't really questionable. It's the fact that Vader outclasses in Force feats that give him a major edge.

And Maul outclassses him in Speed. And TK difference is not too much, Vader can't ragdoll Maul like Sidious did. There is a %20 gap between Vader and Sidious.

Originally posted by Marco1907
Weaknesses : Heavy outfit and breathing apparatus could make it difficult for him to launch a surprise attack.

So the page is contradicting itself, huh? One cannot be acrobatic, yet slow. Clearly that line does not mean what you think it does.

"Weakness: Has been seen begging for mercy - suggesting he is not as tough as he seems."

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Originally posted by ILS
What are Vader's other combative Force powers?

Telepathy, Immovability (that's more for defence, however), Alter Environment, Force Stasis (possibly), Force Barrier, Tutaminis/Force Deflection (which he can use to block lightsaber blades), Force Scream (involuntary, but still relevant to combat scenarios) and Beast Control.

Originally posted by ares834
"Weakness: Has been seen begging for mercy - suggesting he is not as tough as he seems."

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Yeah when the time he lost to Sidious he did that... 😖

Originally posted by Nargaroth
Telepathy, Immovability (that's for defense, however), Alter Environment, Force Stasis (possibly), Force Barrier, Tutaminis/Force Deflection (which he can use to block lightsaber blades), Force Scream (involuntary, but still relevant to combat scenarios) and Beast Control.

Tutaminis is really stupid for Vader's power set, he is incapable of shooting force lightning and he is vulnerable to it. One shouldn't able to make tutaminis with mechanical arms.

Nevertheless, his tutaminis is useless in duels, since Maul is not going to attack him with blaster. And Vader never deflected a lightsaber blade, or at least I don't remember that.

Originally posted by Nargaroth
Telepathy, Immovability (that's for defense, however), Alter Environment, Force Stasis (possibly), Force Barrier, Tutaminis/Force Deflection (which he can use to block lightsaber blades), Force Scream (involuntary, but still relevant to combat scenarios) and Beast Control.

Immovability which would hold little relevance in a fight.

Alter environment.. really?

Vader isn't putting Maul in stasis, lol, that's ludicrous. He hasn't done that to anyone as powerful as Maul.

Barrier which is useless.

He's never used tutaminis on a lightsaber blade, and I doubt this would have much relevance anyway.

Force Scream has never come into play in a duel for Vader - ever.

Beast... control... so relevant.

So really, how is any of that relevant to a dueling scenario, in the grand scheme of things?

I thought he just had deflection, not Tutaminis. Also he has that amulet in his gauntlet or something.

He did overload a lightsaber with the Force at one point though, which was badass.

Originally posted by Marco1907
Weaknesses : Heavy outfit and breathing apparatus could make it difficult for him to launch a surprise attack.

That sounds to me like it's difficult for him to surprise attack opponents because he's too noisy with the heavy equipment and breathing. It's kind of a give away that Vader is in the room.

Originally posted by ares834
"Weakness: Has been seen begging for mercy - suggesting he is not as tough as he seems."

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Shut up Ares! 😠