Betty Ross (HOTM) vs...Norrin Radd

Originally posted by cdtm
Actually, on average his showings are well above the likes of Thor and Hulk, and quite a bit closer to trans level. It's just, he's a B list character. He's always look even with Thor "at best", in the same way Alan Scott will never outshine Hal Jordan, even though by rights he should as he's much more powerful...

Betty was far above the Surfer, and no he isn't above thor. Based on how their battles go, Thor could have simply drained him with Mjolnir. The Surfer would get his butt kicked by Thor and the Savage Hulk combined. This shouldn't be that hard for you to see. Rulk beat the tar out of Uatu, and the Grand Master. Betty was so far above Rulk, that you can't begin to compare the two. Norrin is not a Trans level character, the high herald tier was fashioned after him after all. Thanos is a true Trans level character, and there is no comparison between the two based on what has happened on panel.

Odin slapped the taste out of the Surfer's mouth. There is a huge difference between Thanos, and the Surfer. There is also a big difference between the Surfer, and HOTM Betty. She'd tag, and bag him.

Originally posted by Stoic
Betty was far above the Surfer, and no he isn't above thor. Based on how their battles go, Thor could have simply drained him with Mjolnir. The Surfer would get his butt kicked by Thor and the Savage Hulk combined. This shouldn't be that hard for you to see. Rulk beat the tar out of Uatu, and the Grand Master. Betty was so far above Rulk, that you can't begin to compare the two. Norrin is not a Trans level character, the high herald tier was fashioned after him after all. Thanos is a true Trans level character, and there is no comparison between the two based on what has happened on panel.

Odin slapped the taste out of the Surfer's mouth. There is a huge difference between Thanos, and the Surfer. There is also a big difference between the Surfer, and HOTM Betty. She'd tag, and bag him.

You're rambling

Originally posted by Sin I AM
You're rambling

Comparisons had to be set in order for some to realize that Betty was on a higher level than the Surfer.

Alan Scott has outshined Hal Jordan many times, CDTM 😛

Originally posted by Stoic
Comparisons had to be set in order for some to realize that Betty was on a higher level than the Surfer.

It's nothing he hasn't faced before solo. And thanos having his number doesn't mean betty would

Originally posted by Sin I AM
It's nothing he hasn't faced before solo. And thanos having his number doesn't mean betty would

Yes, it actually does. Just like Rulk had his number. You wonder why I ramble, but then it seems like you didn't read a thing that I wrote. Betty was far above Rulk's level, and he easily drained, and killed the Surfer. He took his abilities, and energy. He even beat Uatu nearly to death. Betty during HOTM was far above Rulk's level. Unlike a green Hulk, a red hulk has been shown to do exactly what I said Betty would do to the Surfer. What others have stated goes against what has happened on panel. The idea that you made this thread makes me believe that you are either trying to drag a high Trans down to mid Herald or lower, or you weren't able to recognize just how powerful Betty had become.

U can't attribute rulks wankfest to red shulk. They aren't interchangeable

I've never seen Betty drain on the level that Rulk was on.

Red Hulk drained a noob inexperienced Surfer

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I've never seen Betty drain on the level that Rulk was on.

Well, she doesn't need too since she drained Rulk himself.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
Red Hulk drained a noob inexperienced Surfer

It wouldn't matter anyway as she wouldn't have the skill level to drain surfer without pis backing especially given his feats.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
It wouldn't matter anyway as she wouldn't have the skill level to drain surfer without pis backing especially given his feats.

Who do you think wins? How many wins would you give out of 10?

Originally posted by carver9
Who do you think wins? How many wins would you give out of 10?

Well its not a how many outta ten. It's a percentage of one fight. It varies. I think fighting smartly he will drain betty while using his speed advantage to do fly bys. Using that route he has a seventy to eighty percent chance of victory. If he goes h2h he's done for

Betty smashes Norrin into a pile of scrap metal. Drainage not necessary.

An intelligent Surfer who can fly and won't go fisticuffs? 10/10

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Well its not a how many outta ten. It's a percentage of one fight. It varies. I think fighting smartly he will drain betty while using his speed advantage to do fly bys. Using that route he has a seventy to eighty percent chance of victory. If he goes h2h he's done for

This isn't about h2h and draining her is unlikely to happen. Armageddon couldn't even drain WWH (the same person who didn't have a problem messing with Surfer powers) completely of his power and again, Betty during this era was a more powerful Hulk. Draining isn't going to work, especially against a character that can amp off of Surfers output or him being in the vicinity.

Speed advantage really doesn't hold here. Especially against a character that missed attacks would damage Surfer. She could miss a punch and cause catastrophic damage.

Well, you're wrong. You already tried to hinder this fight in favor of Surfer, but your examples are not helping you.

Originally posted by carver9
This isn't about h2h and draining her is unlikely to happen. Armageddon couldn't even drain WWH (the same person who didn't have a problem messing with Surfer powers) completely of his power and again, Betty during this era was a more powerful Hulk. Draining isn't going to work, especially against a character that can amp off of Surfers output or him being in the vicinity.

Speed advantage really doesn't hold here. Especially against a character that missed attacks would damage Surfer. She could miss a punch and cause catastrophic damage.

Well, you're wrong. You already tried to hinder this fight in favor of Surfer, but your examples are not helping you.

How did i hinder this match?

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
An intelligent Surfer who can fly and won't go fisticuffs? 10/10

Intelligence + Surfer dont go hand in hand. mhmm

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I've never seen Betty drain on the level that Rulk was on.

What do you think that she was doing in the Dark Dimension?

Originally posted by Sin I AM
U can't attribute rulks wankfest to red shulk. They aren't interchangeable

both of their powers worked exactly the same way at that point in time. They weren't nerfed yet. i said this already way back when i appeared to be rambling. The Surfer is not above being drained himself. Red Hulk's at that point did not have to be touching their opponents for them to take power from them either. Their draining capabilities were done both innately, and consciously.

Originally posted by carver9
Who do you think wins? How many wins would you give out of 10?

Betty destroys him 100%

Originally posted by Sin I AM
How did i hinder this match?

You didn't hinder the match, but placing Betty up against a high Herald means that you believe that she was a high Herald. WW Hulk was a high Herald. When he went into the Dark Dimension as the world breaker he became far more than he was. Betty did as well. My impression is that you were thinking that Betty was at a far lower level than she actually was. This is not true if this is what you were actually thinking when you made this thread. Anyone that believes this would be ignoring the entire story behind what happened during that arc. It would be like saying that OWAW Superman never had an amp, and he could have done all of the things that he did do without it.

She was wished to be on his level?