Originally posted by carver9
He admitted he isn't a Hulk fan. The only Hulk he like is WWH.
Actually my words were that I did not like the infantile versions of the character. I like Doc Green, Mr. Fixit, Green Scar. I dislike the Savage Hulk. This means that I actually do like the Hulk. Now that you know how I really feel, you shouldn't have any reason to continue repeating what you just did.
Originally posted by krisblaze
^So basically you like the Hulk when he's in his 90s Xtreme anti-hero persona?
I just like him intelligent, and calculating. I can't really relate to the infantile or retarded type of characters like Drax had become. I mean how interesting can a character like that actually be? Ooh Hulk go make doo-doo, and play in it. Peter David created an amazing idea, only for the next bunch of people to go behind him, and destroy years of character development.
Originally posted by carver9
Firelord is the sun and he controls it on a cosmic level (i think you see where I am going here)...At least you admit Surfer beats him 10/10 which is still inaccurate.
On average, Surfer has the speed advantage, and lesser energy manipulator's like Triumph threatened to kill him, which Superman himself admitted is possible.
The speed edge of Surfer's big.. On par with Flashes, or better, but it often gets downplayed on KMC because of how writers handle comic fights (The same way Superman trades blows against characters that should never even touch him.)
Originally posted by cdtm
On average, Surfer has the speed advantage, and lesser energy manipulator's like Triumph threatened to kill him, which Superman himself admitted is possible.The speed edge of Surfer's big.. On par with Flashes, or better, but it often gets downplayed on KMC because of how writers handle comic fights (The same way Superman trades blows against characters that should never even touch him.)
Surfer isn't beating Superman 10/10. That would put him out of the Herald tier. You debate off powerset forgetting the in- character part of the forum rules. Powerset debating, nothing short of Skyfather is beating Surfer...in character, people within his tier can hang with or beat him. We would have to ignore every showing with Surfer in it to debate in the fashion you are staying here.
Originally posted by Stoic
Actually my words were that I did not like the infantile versions of the character. I like Doc Green, Mr. Fixit, Green Scar. I dislike the Savage Hulk. This means that I actually do like the Hulk. Now that you know how I really feel, you shouldn't have any reason to continue repeating what you just did.
You know nothing of Fixit though, so how do you like the character?
There were some showings with Doc Green (who's only had a couple of comics) and WWH you were unfamiliar with.
Originally posted by carver9
Surfer isn't beating Superman 10/10. That would put him out of the Herald tier. You debate off powerset forgetting the in- character part of the forum rules. Powerset debating, nothing short of Skyfather is beating Surfer...in character, people within his tier can hang with or beat him. We would have to ignore every showing with Surfer in it to debate in the fashion you are staying here.
He's power drained Quasar and Hulk, at least, and used more esoteric powers to end a fights relatively quickly (Like absorbing someone into his board.) There's no real reason why he wouldn't power drain Superman, where there's no PIS to keep the story flowing..
Arguing Surfer drains Superman isn't "debating power sets", it's debating a skill he's demonstrated in comics, that would be particularly bad for Superman.
As to the "arguing power sets" comment, I look at it like this: Does a character have a valid reason for "not" using a power or fight ending tactic? Like Martian Manhunter, when he forgets he can turn intangible. He's done it before, under various writers, and he's intelligent about it's use. So why doesn't he use it all the time?
Because if he did, it would make him overpowered against your typical brick.. Hence, PIS. It's not that he's stupid, it's a writer fiat issue.
Originally posted by cdtm
He's power drained Quasar and Hulk, at least, and used more esoteric powers to end a fights relatively quickly (Like absorbing someone into his board.) There's no real reason why he wouldn't power drain Superman, where there's no PIS to keep the story flowing..Arguing Surfer drains Superman isn't "debating power sets", it's debating a skill he's demonstrated in comics, that would be particularly bad for Superman.
As to the "arguing power sets" comment, I look at it like this: Does a character have a valid reason for "not" using a power or fight ending tactic? Like Martian Manhunter, when he forgets he can turn intangible. He's done it before, under various writers, and he's intelligent about it's use. So why doesn't he use it all the time?
Because if he did, it would make him overpowered against your typical brick.. Hence, PIS. It's not that he's stupid, it's a writer fiat issue.
This, characters like Norrin have to be trolled to make a story flow
Originally posted by Sin I AM
This, characters like Norrin have to be trolled to make a story flow
Pretty much.
And this is kinda why I use BFR so much.
How IDIOTIC must you think of a character, that if they were losing, they wouldn't use BFR? Even someone as arrogant as Namor, for example, sees the value in retreat and fighting another day.
Yet the way some people talk, it goes like this:
Character A: I'll use this power.
*ineffective*
Character A: I know! It didn't work the first time, so I'll keep using it! Wait, now I'm losing. Maybe if I keep doing the same thing, I will win! Now I'm being beaten very badly.
I'll keep doing the same thing!! Surely my luck will change!
THAT is how people think Surfer or anyone with a varied powerset/speed fights, for some reason...
Originally posted by carver9
You know nothing of Fixit though, so how do you like the character?There were some showings with Doc Green (who's only had a couple of comics) and WWH you were unfamiliar with.
Should I report you now or later? How do you know what I know Carver? You can still like a character without lying about what they can, and can't do. This is something that you are apparently incapable of doing with the way that you constantly misrepresent everything. Go work on yourself before pointing fingers.
Originally posted by Stoic
Should I report you now or later? How do you know what I know Carver? You can still like a character without lying about what they can, and can't do. This is something that you are apparently incapable of doing with the way that you constantly misrepresent everything. Go work on yourself before pointing fingers.
Me lying or providing proof that you fail to accept? You haven't posted a single shed of proof backing any of your claims, nothing and you never do. Looks like you Google all of your material. You ignore evidence, try your hardest to twist things to fit your argument. When people provide you scans, you ask for more. Provide you more and it still isn't good enough for you. Why give someone like you proof of anything when you are going to ignore it? You need to report yourself. I have an unlimited source of Hulk comics. I can PM you 10 a day if you want just to get you started. Let me know.
Originally posted by carver9
Me lying or providing proof that you fail to accept? You haven't posted a single shed of proof backing any of your claims, nothing and you never do. Looks like you Google all of your material. You ignore evidence, try your hardest to twist things to fit your argument. When people provide you scans, you ask for more. Provide you more and it still isn't good enough for you. Why give someone like you proof of anything when you are going to ignore it? You need to report yourself. I have an unlimited source of Hulk comics. I can PM you 10 a day if you want just to get you started. Let me know.
What does this have to do with you knowing what I know? i don't have to post scans carver you do, and even when you do, you misrepresent everything. You never show the entire thing, and when you do, you are often caught lying.