Originally posted by Robtard(emotional) micro-penis (Best Insult EVER!)
Your anger here is very amusing. It's just a tee-shirt though, she was prolly just having fun with her family/friends.Not really, that's just your (emotional) micro-penis causing you to think that because *gasp* Rey's a strong female lead and she can beat up boys. You'd enjoy the films if you just sat back and didn't see "SJW!" and "Der Feminist!" in everything.
Originally posted by CPT Space BombAll in all, I just advised you not to see some hidden agenda to push men down in everything. *shrug*
No Thor, it's clearly because we're male misogynists. Meh, I'm done arguing with Rob"really is a tard" . He doesn't listen to legit criticisms but only virtue signals because that's the only way he can defend his point. Anyway, THE MCU has been so much better than Star Wars in that regard it's not even close. Hopefully it stays that way.
Originally posted by RobtardI wouldn't have enjoyed TLJ even IF that hadn't been a problem. TLJ had a slew of issues, as does TFA. Inferior SW films that are getting worse as time goes on. I'm not expecting much from Solo and probably won't watch it in theaters at this point, based off how they've treated the OT characters thus far.
All in all, I just advised you not to see some hidden agenda to push men down in everything. *shrug*
AS FOR MCU and Infinity War, it's on pace to become the fastest movie to 1 Billion....pretty cool.
Originally posted by Robtard
Fair enough then on the comic-to-film scare/concern, it just seemed like more of the nonsense we had in the past like with Star Wars and its female characters/castings.But I'm not worried at all. So far the MCU's casting/writing has varied from good to great. Downey as Tony. Evans as Steve. Hemsworth as Thor. Holland as Peter, who is by far the best of the three to play the character to date. The list goes on. I don't think they're going to wreck it now just to push some imaginary "SJW" or feminist agenda that's supposed to exist here.
When something's given you win after win in terms of casting and writing, I'm not going to assume the worse before we know next to nothing.
I consider Star Wars a different beast altogether, so I'm not gonna touch that. Not with a ten foot ****ing pole.
I hope Captain Marvel is good. I really do. I hope she has the kind of impact Ant-Man had, and becomes a well-liked character.
Originally posted by -Pr-
I consider Star Wars a different beast altogether, so I'm not gonna touch that. Not with a ten foot ****ing pole.I hope Captain Marvel is good. I really do. I hope she has the kind of impact Ant-Man had, and becomes a well-liked character.
Fair enough again, I just hope you consider reality over feelings. Disney spent 4billion acquiring Star Wars, they're not risking that investment plus future earnings worth billions to push any social agendas. They're a for profit business. It's also why we've [unfortunately] had 'more of the same' now in the two main-story films, they're playing it safe, even if the films are still enjoyable.
I'm excited for Marvel's solo film (set in the 90's which I love) and I'm excited in what role she plays in 'IF2'. Will say, if by some odd chance she's written where she shows up, b!tch-slaps Thanos while pulling out her tampon and whirling it over her head yelling "Gurl Powah!" while the blood splatters Tony, Steve and Thor, I will gladly eat crow here. But I don't think that's happening, or anything close to that, hyperbole or no.
Originally posted by Robtard
There's no indication that was done just because Rey was cast/written as a women though. Is there?A man could just as easily been cast and the same could have been done; would it have garnered the same level of hate or would people have accepted it as 'this character must be very powerful to have that much raw ability'?
Would have gotten the same level of hate from me personally.
But the fact that it was a woman and the fact that the head of Lucasfilm wears a The Force Is Female t-shirt, I can see how its easy to make that connection.
Captain Marvel is lame and a waste of an after credits scene in this movie IMO.
I'm truly hoping this is going to reinvent her character and be one of those cases where the movie version is better than the comic version. Maybe the comics will end up adapting this version to be more in line with a more likable character. I may not be excited for the character, but I've got faith in the MCU.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Would have gotten the same level of hate from me personally.But the fact that it was a woman and the fact that the head of Lucasfilm wears a The Force Is Female t-shirt, I can see how its easy to make that connection.
Sure, I believe you and that on a case to case basis. But in the masses, it probably would have gone over smoother.
It still seems like a jump to conclusions, she's just wearing a shirt. She still answers to the board and stock holders who are not going to allow potentially risking billions on a social agenda/experiment.
Originally posted by Robtard
Fair enough again, I just hope you consider reality over feelings. Disney spent 4billion acquiring Star Wars, they're not risking that investment plus future earnings worth billions to push any social agendas. They're a for profit business. It's also why we've [unfortunately] had 'more of the same' now in the two main-story films, they're playing it safe, even if the films are still enjoyable.I'm excited for Marvel's solo film (set in the 90's which I love) and I'm excited in what role she plays in 'IF2'. Will say, if by some odd chance she's written where she shows up, b!tch-slaps Thanos while pulling out her tampon and whirling it over her head yelling "Gurl Powah!" while the blood splatters Tony, Steve and Thor, I will gladly eat crow here. But I don't think that's happening, or anything close to that, hyperbole or no.
I believe they have all sorts of agendas, tbh, but no, they're not stupid either though no. Their priority will always be to make money, and to milk Star Wars for as much as they can. Porgs ftw.
If only it wasn't Carol ****ing Danvers.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Would have gotten the same level of hate from me personally.But the fact that it was a woman and the fact that the head of Lucasfilm wears a The Force Is Female t-shirt, I can see how its easy to make that connection.
I would have let it all go if they had written Luke or Yoda with even a modicum of respect, tbh.
Originally posted by -Pr-
I really don't know if there's anything to worry about, tbh. I mean, they picked Carol, a character with such a small following that she's really just a bad choice imo, when compared to someone like say, Wanda. They could have made her the big deal, but instead we're getting the character Marvel has been pushing like Roman Reigns.I still don't see them falling in to the same traps they did in the comics, though.
Don't see how men's rights is linked to shoehorning in a character like Carol, but okay.
At this point I trust Marvel Studios and will give them the benefit of the doubt until they show that they are unworthy of that trust. The last 5 or so movies they've made have all been outstanding imo.
And pushing relatively unknown characters into the limelight seems to be a strength of theirs. They did it beautifully with Guardians of the Galaxy and Ant-Man. And people forget that prior to the MCU being created, the likes of Thor, Iron-man, and Captain America were kind of considered second rate and unworthy of being the main characters in their own movies.
Frankly, I have zero concern about Captain Marvel and am looking forward to the movie.
Originally posted by -Pr-Man I agree with pretty much every word you said. There aren't that many Carol Danvers fans out there....her book, despite being PUSHED HARD by Marvel Comics just doesn't sell that well at all. At best she's a C-rate Wonder Woman (in terms of popularity). We don't know what's going to happen though, so if Avengers 4 is 75% as good as Infinity War I'll be happy.
I believe they have all sorts of agendas, tbh, but no, they're not stupid either though no. Their priority will always be to make money, and to milk Star Wars for as much as they can. Porgs ftw.If only it wasn't Carol ****ing Danvers.
I would have let it all go if they had written Luke or Yoda with even a modicum of respect, tbh.
Originally posted by BackFire
At this point I trust Marvel Studios and will give them the benefit of the doubt until they show that they are unworthy of that trust. The last 5 or so movies they've made have all been outstanding imo.And pushing relatively unknown characters into the limelight seems to be a strength of theirs. They did it beautifully with Guardians of the Galaxy and Ant-Man. And people forget that prior to the MCU being created, the likes of Thor, Iron-man, and Captain America were kind of considered second rate and unworthy of being the main characters in their own movies.
Frankly, I have zero concern about Captain Marvel and am looking forward to the movie.
I wouldn't agree on the last five being outstanding, but I wouldn't say any of them were particularly bad either. And yeah, they've more than earned the benefit of the doubt, imo.
I don't mind obscure characters being pushed. Like you said, they did it well with previous characters. Especially GOTG. Carol is just... She'll be a harder one than most, but hopefully they do it right.
Keep in mind that Marvel Studios is a different division and run by different people than those who do the comics. Just because she is a certain way currently in the comics doesn't mean that's how she'll be in the upcoming movie. They may look back to how she was in previous decades for inspiration.
Originally posted by -Pr-
I believe they have all sorts of agendas, tbh, but no, they're not stupid either though no. Their priority will always be to make money, and to milk Star Wars for as much as they can. Porgs ftw.If only it wasn't Carol ****ing Danvers.
I would have let it all go if they had written Luke or Yoda with even a modicum of respect, tbh.
Guess I have the luxury of not following the character, think the last time I read a comic with her was maybe the 90's. Not sure exactly.
But I still go back to my 'not worried at all' stance, the MCU has not really let me down yet with a single major casting/writing, even if some of the films were meh (eg IM3).
Originally posted by BackFire
Keep in mind that Marvel Studios is a different division and run by different people than those who do the comics. Just because she is a certain way currently in the comics doesn't mean that's how she'll be in the upcoming movie. They may look back to how she was in previous decades for inspiration.
Keeping that in mind is one of those things that makes me think there's a chance they won't **** it up.
Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
Man I agree with pretty much every word you said. There aren't that many Carol Danvers fans out there....her book, despite being PUSHED HARD by Marvel Comics just doesn't sell that well at all. At best she's a C-rate Wonder Woman (in terms of popularity). We don't know what's going to happen though, so if Avengers 4 is 75% as good as Infinity War I'll be happy.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Well, yes and no.Ms. Marvel was loved and responsible for millions of adamantium-hard erections all over the planet.
It's that whole Captain Marvel persona that ruined the character.
Yeah, I'll correct myself there: If it was Ms. Marvel or Binary or Warbird, I'd be stoked. Carol as Captain Marvel though... I'm not a fan. Fingers crossed they pull it off, though.
Originally posted by -Pr-
I wouldn't agree on the last five being outstanding, but I wouldn't say any of them were particularly bad either. And yeah, they've more than earned the benefit of the doubt, imo.I don't mind obscure characters being pushed. Like you said, they did it well with previous characters. Especially GOTG. Carol is just... She'll be a harder one than most, but hopefully they do it right.
I don't see why she'll be particularly difficult to do. I imagine something really bizarre and niche like Guardians of the Galaxy was much more difficult. Captain Marvel should be pretty easy to do in comparison, since it seems like they're grooming her to be their superman type character. And they have a very good actress playing her.
Originally posted by Robtard
Guess I have the luxury of not following the character, think the last time I read a comic with her was maybe the 90's. Not sure exactly.But I still go back to my 'not worried at all' stance, the MCU has not really let me down yet with a single major casting/writing, even if some of the films were meh (eg IM3).
No, you are right; their casting has been largely spot-on. I even forgave them for making Hank Pym an old man because they actually did a half-decent job with him.
Originally posted by BackFire
I don't see why she'll be particularly difficult to do. I imagine something really bizarre and niche like Guardians of the Galaxy was much more difficult. Captain Marvel should be pretty easy to do in comparison, since it seems like they're grooming her to be their superman type character. And they have a very good actress playing her.
Making her their Superman character is part of the problem I was talking about. When I speak about her being "hard to do", I'm speaking about making a Captain Marvel Danvers that won't feel just... Forced.
Originally posted by BackFire
Keep in mind that Marvel Studios is a different division and run by different people than those who do the comics. Just because she is a certain way currently in the comics doesn't mean that's how she'll be in the upcoming movie. They may look back to how she was in previous decades for inspiration.
Well if the idea of her movie is set in the 90's implies that she will have more of the Ms.Marvel charisma/persona then there may be hope. However I still think its an uphill battle as current comic Carol Danvers is just an awful person imo. So while Marvel certain has more than enough good will, getting over this negative stigma would seem like a bigger challenge then just bring like/but obscure characters to the forefront.
Still a waste of an end credit scene to an awesome movie to promote Carol of all characters.