Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Well if the idea of her movie is set in the 90's implies that she will have more of the Ms.Marvel charisma/persona then there may be hope. However I still think its an uphill battle as current comic Carol Danvers is just an awful person imo. So while Marvel certain has more than enough good will, getting over this negative stigma would seem like a bigger challenge then just bring like/but obscure characters to the forefront.Still a waste of an end credit scene to an awesome movie to promote Carol of all characters.
I think the mistake you and Pr are making here is that the vast majority of the audience for this, and any Marvel movie these days is so large that whatever stigma may exist among the hardcore comics fans will only encompass a very small portion of the audience. Most people who see this movie will have no idea what problems there might be with the current incarnation of the character in the comics. So ultimately for, 90%+ of the audience, it won't matter at all, and there will be no stigma. Most people won't even know who the character is.
Originally posted by Robtard
Admit it, you wanted to see domestic-abuse-hank-pym.
Only if we got domestic abuse Reed Richards and Peter Parker to complete the set.
Originally posted by BackFire
I think the mistake you and Pr are making here is that the vast majority of the audience for this, and any Marvel movie these days is so large that whatever stigma may exist among the hardcore comics fans will only encompass a very small portion of the audience. Most people who see this movie will have no idea what problems there might be with the current incarnation of the character in the comics. So ultimately for, 90%+ of the audience, it won't matter at all, and there will be no stigma. Most people won't even know who the character is.
That answer kinda makes me feel like you weren't reading my posts. 🙁
Originally posted by BackFireYou're not wrong. The MCU has become such a pop culture thing nowadays that most people watching the films will have no idea who Carol Danvers is. That being said, if they make her the pushy, annoying Captain Marvel personality not many people will be drawn to her, especially with no prior knowledge to the character. If she's the more warm and funny Ms Marvel type then she'll instantly be a huge hit (IMO)...I mean, just look at Guardians and basically any funny smart ass in the MCU...they're fan favorites. Hell, they had to turn Thor into more of a jokester to really elevate him with the masses (while slightly annoying some of us Thor fans...but whatever, I accept this as MCU Thor...).
I think the mistake you and Pr are making here is that the vast majority of the audience for this, and any Marvel movie these days is so large that whatever stigma may exist among the hardcore comics fans will only encompass a very small portion of the audience. Most people who see this movie will have no idea what problems there might be with the current incarnation of the character in the comics. So ultimately for, 90%+ of the audience, it won't matter at all, and there will be no stigma. Most people won't even know who the character is.
Originally posted by BackFire
Well you were referencing some stigma or problem with the comic version of her. My point is, that isn't going to be relevant to most viewers.
I was bringing it up in relation to why people are complaining about her, to illustrate that it was more about her as a character rather than her gender.
You don't have to tell me what is and isn't relevant to most viewers, I had to sit through what they did to ****ing Aquaman last year. I know I'm the minority.
Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
You're not wrong. The MCU has become such a pop culture thing nowadays that most people watching the films will have no idea who Carol Danvers is. That being said, if they make her the pushy, annoying Captain Marvel personality not many people will be drawn to her, especially with no prior knowledge to the character. If she's the more warm and funny Ms Marvel type then she'll instantly be a huge hit (IMO)...I mean, just look at Guardians and basically any funny smart ass in the MCU...they're fan favorites. Hell, they had to turn Thor into more of a jokester to really elevate him with the masses (while slightly annoying some of us Thor fans...but whatever, I accept this as MCU Thor...).
Yeah. And coming from someone who has pretty much no knowledge of the character, I have real trouble imagining them making her intentionally annoying or particularly pushy. I think at this point Feige and co. know what works for movie goers and what doesn't. I imagine she will be funny, warm and charismatic while also being pretty tough. Their MO these days is to make softer more relatable characters than when the universe was first introduced, as you rightly point out with Thor.
Originally posted by -Pr-
I was bringing it up in relation to why people are complaining about her, to illustrate that it was more about her as a character rather than her gender.You don't have to tell me what is and isn't relevant to most viewers, I had to sit through what they did to ****ing Aquaman last year. I know I'm the minority.
Understood.
Originally posted by Robtard
TBF, you also have to consider the starting point, there was really no better way of doing Aquaman 😛
I hate you.
Originally posted by BackFire
Yeah. And coming from someone who has pretty much no knowledge of the character, I have real trouble imagining them making her intentionally annoying or particularly pushy. I think at this point Feige and co. know what works for movie goers and what doesn't. I imagine she will be funny, warm and charismatic while also being pretty tough. Their MO these days is to make softer more relatable characters than when the universe was first introduced, as you rightly point out with Thor.Understood.
I should double-check my door locks, shouldn't I.
Originally posted by -Pr-
I hate you.I should double-check my door locks, shouldn't I.
Don't bother, I'm already in your bedroom.
The one thing that does give me a bit of concern about the Captain Marvel movie, having just looked at the IMDB page, has nothing to do with the character or anything like that, but that there are something like 7 or 8 writers listed as having written the screenplay. That can be a red flag sometimes. Not a fan of writing by committee. Can end up with a movie that feels uneven in tone and unfocused or that has no identity.
Originally posted by BackFire
Don't bother, I'm already in your bedroom.The one thing that does give me a bit of concern about the Captain Marvel movie, having just looked at the IMDB page, has nothing to do with the character or anything like that, but that there are something like 7 or 8 writers listed as having written the screenplay. That can be a red flag sometimes. Not a fan of writing by committee. Can end up with a movie that feels uneven in tone and unfocused or that has no identity.
Yeah, I'd worry about that too. I trust the Russos to get the next movie right, but the standalone is something else. I have to admit, it's one of the more interesting MCU movies on the horizon. Nice setting and an interesting cast. If done well, it could be really good.
I hope they don't simply make Captain Marvel OP that she simply manhandles Thanos, that'd be a letdown that won't let the original Avengers shine.
If Captain Marvel is set in the 90s, and presumably powerful, I hope it explains why she wasn't called during the Chitauri invasion and the Ultron attack.
Originally posted by BackFire
Yeah, I really like how it's set in the 90's. That should be a fun angle. I'll probably enjoy it regardless because I'm kind of a sucker for an origin story.
Same. I really enjoyed Doctor Strange too.
Originally posted by gauntlet o doom
I hope they don't simply make Captain Marvel OP that she simply manhandles Thanos, that'd be a letdown that won't let the original Avengers shine.If Captain Marvel is set in the 90s, and presumably powerful, I hope it explains why she wasn't called during the Chitauri invasion and the Ultron attack.
It's because she was in SPAAAAACE!!!
Originally posted by gauntlet o doomIf they do that it's the dumbest thing they've ever done. I mean, as much as I liked it
I hope they don't simply make Captain Marvel OP that she simply manhandles Thanos, that'd be a letdown that won't let the original Avengers shine.
Spoiler:
(as a Thor fan), he should not have been able to impale Thanos like he did. Thanos is honestly THE most underpowered MCU character to date. I get that they wanted to let the masses wrap their heads around him but COMON....we never once see what he's capable WITHOUT an infinity stone. So his only showings are with them, and Struggling to get past Scarlett Witch with 5 stones and getting impaled by Stormbreaker with 6.......just HORRIBLE showings for Thanos....and one of my biggest gripes with the film.
There's no way they'll have her come in and just whoop Thanos, lmao. She might be important in defeating him, but we already saw from Dr. Strange that Tony Stark is the key to actually winning. Hence him stating, "We're in the end-game now", as Thanos literally did what they were trying to stop him from doing. He wouldn't have said that, if this fight was over.
Tbh, I agree with everyone saying that was a waste of a post-credits scene. There's not a lot I can see Captain Marvel really doing against an IG wielding Thanos.
Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
If they do that it's the dumbest thing they've ever done. I mean, as much as I liked itSpoiler:
(as a Thor fan), he should not have been able to impale Thanos like he did. Thanos is honestly THE most underpowered MCU character to date. I get that they wanted to let the masses wrap their heads around him but COMON....we never once see what he's capable WITHOUT an infinity stone. So his only showings are with them, and Struggling to get past Scarlett Witch with 5 stones and getting impaled by Stormbreaker with 6.......just HORRIBLE showings for Thanos....and one of my biggest gripes with the film.
I think it was done
Spoiler:
to serve the ending. Having him be vulnerable made the fact that he won all the more shocking and powerful.
Originally posted by gauntlet o doom
I hope they don't simply make Captain Marvel OP that she simply manhandles Thanos, that'd be a letdown that won't let the original Avengers shine.If Captain Marvel is set in the 90s, and presumably powerful, I hope it explains why she wasn't called during the Chitauri invasion and the Ultron attack.
She was on her period both times.
#takethatfeminist
Originally posted by BackFire
I think it was doneSpoiler:
to serve the ending. Having him be vulnerable made the fact that he won all the more shocking and powerful.
Spoiler:
Yah, it makes perfect sense from a movie perspective...I'm just saying as far as character showings go Thanos got the short end of the stick in Infinity War. It's like Thor...ever since Thor 1 he's been depowered like crazy and only recently have they let him shine again.....but it kinda comes at the expense of Thanos....Oh well. I still think the film is a 9/10 but most of the reason it loses a point revolves around the Titan himself (his plan, his powers).
Originally posted by BackFire
I think it was doneSpoiler:
to serve the ending. Having him be vulnerable made the fact that he won all the more shocking and powerful.
Agreed. Also, it's almost like he was holding back and only using just enough power to win at certain times.
Spoiler:
when Steve grabbed his hand, Thanos had both an amused and "I'm impressed with your resolve against all odds" look, when he could have effortless killed Steve, but opted for a KO blow.