Originally posted by banana3
SSJ god is way more than 50x SSJ3. What makes you think SSJ Vegetto is stronger than god Goku lmao. Toriyama said Whis = 15, Beerus = 10, god Goku = 6. Whis is 2.5x Goku. It doesn't matter tho because Goku is >>>>>>> SSJ Vegetto. You're just making stuff up which is why we need to use feats.
Are you high?
SSJ2 Vegeta bloodied Bills. Are you saying he's stronger than Vegetto too?
Originally posted by Q99
Yes. GT was actually fairly restrained compared to Z.Hunt for the dragonballs arc, and Super 17 arc, power level didn't increase much at all. Babi and Evil Dragons arcs, you have significant increase, but neither as much as the Frieza saga was.
Yeah, but the entire GT series took place in just over a year.
Plus, Goku got SSJ4 in GT. That was proven to be around a 500X boost to SSJ3.
Originally posted by bbrem123
Hell they even have a guide that compares ssj4 to vegetto...And we all know how Vegetto compares to Beerus. Goku flat out says they would have no chance if they used fusion. That was even before he understood how powerful Beerus really was.(He could not comprehend how strong gods were until he was god himself)
So basically everything you have said is a bunch of shit
1. So? Some random jump writers hypothetical statement =/= cannon.
2. No he didn't. That was not said in the movie.
3. Everything you just said is either conjecture, irrelevant, or simply untrue. Nice try. 👆
Originally posted by SSJGGogetaI am saying it was confirmed Beerus was superior to Vegetto.
Are you high?SSJ2 Vegeta bloodied Bills. Are you saying he's stronger than Vegetto too?
Also Beerus even states Ki does not affect gods. He says "alas this energy which you all draw your strength has no affect on deities like myself."
Why would Beerus lie? He has lived longer than anybody can comprehend. He knows what he is talking about. You can also see Beeris sustained absolutely zero damage from vegeta's assault.
Originally posted by bbrem123
Seems it was shown to give vegeta his shining moment. Going by what SSJGGogeta says that vegeta is stronger than ssg goku...
What? Goku clearly said at the end of the movie that Vegeta had surpassed him. Not to mention that Vegeta did more to Bills than Goku managed to, even if he only maintained that strength for a few seconds.
Originally posted by bbrem123
wow go watch the movie. Im not even going to waste my time debating against you.
Good.
Because you're not debating, you're proving that you haven't seen the movie.
Again, "All Goku said was, "Yep, you've totally surpassed me. Great job.", and at that point Goku had SSJG.", so without your pointless, baseless assumptions, that puts Vegeta above SSJG Goku. And Vegeta doesn't even have SSJ3. 👆
Actually that statement is contradicted by gt itself. And besides, the guidebook said maybe stronger. It all doesn't matter tho because feat wise god Goku > SSJ4 Gogeta unless the guidebook galaxy busting statement isn't contradicted by the show. IIRC it is because they do it through there negative energy spread which takes time. I might be thinking about Omega tho
Vegeta is above Goku without god ki.
Vegeta surpassing S3 makes sense once we found out that SS forms are just steps in the same transformation, meaning his base/base SS form will increase as they did. He demonstrated the most notable damage for sure, but we know that Beerus can increase his power as stated later on. I highly doubt a normal/ticked off Beerus would be at the same level as his 70%, more serious fight, self.
It also doesn't make sense to think Vegeta is above SGGoku. I mean why would Vegeta insist on being next to become SSG, something that takes a friendship circle, when he's already at that level and can get stronger by training?
Originally posted by banana3
Actually that statement is contradicted by gt itself. And besides, the guidebook said maybe stronger. It all doesn't matter tho because feat wise god Goku > SSJ4 Gogeta unless the guidebook galaxy busting statement isn't contradicted by the show. IIRC it is because they do it through there negative energy spread which takes time. I might be thinking about Omega tho
*sigh*
Literally none of that is true.
Omega's karma ball could universe bust, as was stated. He shot three of them. 👆
Originally posted by BloodRain
Vegeta is above Goku without god ki.Vegeta surpassing S3 makes sense once we found out that SS forms are just steps in the same transformation, meaning his base/base SS form will increase as they did. He demonstrated the most notable damage for sure, but we know that Beerus can increase his power as stated later on. I highly doubt a normal/ticked off Beerus would be at the same level as his 70%, more serious fight, self.
It also doesn't make sense to think Vegeta is above SGGoku. I mean why would Vegeta insist on being next to become SSG, something that takes a friendship circle, when he's already at that level and can get stronger by training?
Bills was ticked off at Vegeta though, not at Goku. Plus, Toriyama said Goku is 60% as strong as Bills, meaning 70% Bills would stomp him like a ragdoll. Bills had to use 70% on Earth, and the only person that could have been against is Vegeta.
Where is it to be stated or assumed that he used the same final fight 70% on Earth? I mean he was in the exact same state he used to dance around the Z fighters, and using chopsticks as a weapon. That state was the same used against SGGoku?
Yeah.. that wasn't a "statement". Its a very rough comparison, like if he said "If Goku is a gun/mouse, Beerus is a cannon/cat".
Originally posted by SSJGGogetayou have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. I am kind of embarrassed for you.
Bills was ticked off at Vegeta though, not at Goku. Plus, Toriyama said Goku is 60% as strong as Bills, meaning 70% Bills would stomp him like a ragdoll. Bills had to use 70% on Earth, and the only person that could have been against is Vegeta.
Whis says that he used nearly 70% of his power against Goku. No where does it mention anything about Vegeta pushing him that far. You are making things up.
Originally posted by BloodRain
Where is it to be stated or assumed that he used the same final fight 70% on Earth? I mean he was in the exact same state he used to dance around the Z fighters, and using chopsticks as a weapon. That state was the same used against SGGoku?Yeah.. that wasn't a "statement". Its a very rough comparison, like if he said "If Goku is a gun/mouse, Beerus is a cannon/cat".
What? My point is that it wasn't specifically stated that Bills used 70% against Goku, only that he DID use 70%.
No, it was the most accurate scale Toriyama could gauge them to, according to Toriyama himself. He was asked how strong they were, comparatively, and he answered.