Pound For Pound - Herald Class

I thought poop throwing contests were traditional in internet debates?

I'll stop.

Best pound for pound is Thor. Why? Because I'm biased.

.l. .l.

I think you guys aren't really understanding what P4P means... It's not about doing the most with the least... It's about being able to go above your weight class or even below and win. That is what p4p is... not who can do the most with the least. So in that sense... all three can and have done so.. but I would pick Thor.. then surfer than Superman

I think Majestic should be added to these contenders for top herald, although by the end of his run he became skyfather.

Originally posted by One-Punch
Because the depowerement and amp offset each other to a certain extent? Even a 12 year old can grasp this.

Nothing I said was contradicted.

But this is ironic, coming from someone with a legendary reputation for faulty interpretation (in favor of a certain character and always against his rivals), and having his feats debunked repeatedly.

We're discussing Surfer's obvious [b]figurative statement, which for some reason you take literal.

Surfer says he feels more powerful than ever. In the same sentence Surfer also said he felt invincible. He also says it feels it's been decreed he can't fail.

These are all common figures of speeches used in literature and in everyday language. But he's not literally more powerful than he's ever been out of all his appearances, nor is he literally invincible, nor can he literally not fail ever again.

All it means is he feels more powerful. That is it.

If it's been months, then why would you say a week in your first post?

We're both focusing on the same scan.

The difference is you don't know the difference between figurative and literal speech. And you expect me to trust your interpretation? The same person whose "interpretations" have been debunked countless times.

You hang on to a single figurative statement and make literal claims about it. In other words your usual shtick.

😂

Says abhilegend, whose reputation is just as bad if not worse. At least Quan is entertaining and funny. You're practically dyslexic when it comes to reading comics. [/B]

And concession accepted BTW.

Originally posted by abhilegend
So nothing but repeating over and over? Post a scan which says he was as powerful as before because at this point you are just clueless.

And concession accepted BTW.

Maybe because all you've done is plug your ears and shake your head? How about you address my actual points.

I'll lay out nice and neatly for you why Loki's amp isn't as big as you think.

We know for a fact Loki merged his power with Surfer's.

So how big is Loki's power? Before merging his power, Loki tested Surfer's power in a fight. Surfer was able to stalemate Loki. This means Loki's power was equal to Surfer's power at the time.

If Loki's power = Surfer's power, how powerful was Surfer?

Not very because he had previously been "totally drained" of his power, only had a fraction of his power, and made reference to his depowered state an issue before his fight with Thor and Loki.

This means Loki's power was = to a fraction of Surfer's original power because a weakened Surfer stalemated Loki.

The only logical conclusion is the power Loki added to Surfer was equal to a fraction of Surfer's original power. Hence why the amp isn't as large as you think. This is why I think Surfer's depowered state and loki's amp offset each other.

All your argument consists of is you taking half of a figurative sentence and taking it literal and blowing it out of proportion.

Your argument is as robust as a creationist denying evolution because there's still monkeys, or the Earth is flat because it looks flat from you POV, or that Global warming doesn't exist because winters are cold.

Originally posted by One-Punch
Maybe because all you've done is plug your ears and shake your head? How about you address my actual points.

I'll lay out nice and neatly for you why Loki's amp isn't as big as you think.

We know for a fact Loki merged [b]his power with Surfer's.

So how big is Loki's power? Before merging his power, Loki tested Surfer's power in a fight. Surfer was able to stalemate Loki. This means Loki's power was equal to Surfer's power at the time.

If Loki's power = Surfer's power, how powerful was Surfer?

Not very because he had previously been "totally drained" of his power, only had a fraction of his power, and made reference to his depowered state an issue before his fight with Thor and Loki.

This means Loki's power was = to a fraction of Surfer's original power because a weakened Surfer stalemated Loki.

The only logical conclusion is the power Loki added to Surfer was equal to a fraction of Surfer's original power. Hence why the amp isn't as large as you think. This is why I think Surfer's depowered state and loki's amp offset each other.

All your argument consists of is you taking half of a figurative sentence and taking it literal and blowing it out of proportion.

Your argument is as robust as a creationist denying evolution because there's still monkeys, or the Earth is flat because it looks flat from you POV, or that Global warming doesn't exist because winters are cold. [/B]

Originally posted by One-Punch
Maybe because all you've done is plug your ears and shake your head? How about you address my actual points.

We know for a fact Loki merged his power with Surfer's.

So how big is Loki's power? Before merging his power, Loki tested Surfer's power in a fight. Surfer was able to stalemate Loki. This means Loki's power was equal to Surfer's power at the time.

If Loki's power = Surfer's power, how powerful was Surfer?

Not very because he had previously been "totally drained" of his power, only had a fraction of his power, and made reference to his depowered state an issue before his fight with Thor and Loki.

This means Loki's power was = to a fraction of Surfer's original power because a weakened Surfer stalemated Loki.

The only logical conclusion is the power Loki added to Surfer was equal to a fraction of Surfer's original power. Hence why the amp isn't as large as you think. This is why I think Surfer's depowered state and loki's amp offset each other.

All your argument consists of is you taking half of a figurative sentence and taking it literal and blowing it out of proportion.

Your argument is as robust as a creationist denying evolution because there's still monkeys, or the Earth is flat because it looks flat from you POV, or that Global warming doesn't exist because winters are cold. [/B]

The sheer denial is palpable here.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Nice projection. I need actual points to do that. Not this "mockery" of a logical debate.

I don't have to "think". Surfer spoke it out loud crystal clear.

You don't have to think eh? Well that explains why your post is devoid of any intelligence.

What an atrocious line of reasoning. Loki wasn't even trying to fight surfer, he was just testing him. And all Surfer did was match him in a test of strength, Loki is never known for his strength.

Loki was testing Surfer's powers, not strength.

Loki says: "Now that thou has passed thy test, tis' time to speak the truth! Thy power is needed to safeguard Asgard!"

Also, I never knew tests of "strength" involved huge amounts of energy, lightning bolts, and power swirling around...

And why would Loki (who's not known for his strength), test Surfer (who's not known for his strength), in a strength contest?

Talk about atrocious reasoning right?

Ha, now I've seen it all.

"It cannot be!! Thou art but mortal!! Thou canst not match my godly force!"

Well, whaddya know, its not like surfer hasn't been drained like a thousand times before. But in the same series, it was stated in a letter column that surfer only lost his matter to energy transformation powers. I find it unlikely that every bit of surfer's powers were gone and he was running on fumes or like something. But keep living in that hope brother.

If you want to ignore the huge amount of on-panel evidence that Surfer was weakened, then go ahead. It's an ongoing trend of yours.

Hahaha, this is just laughable. Testing someone=being in equal in power.

Loki stated Surfer matched his godly power on panel.

So many leaps of logic, just so many that it simply boggles the mind to look at this argument.

Whats obvious though is your inability to grasp basic logic. Maybe if you didn't spend so much time ignoring on-panel statements and evidence.

And your whole argument is taking circumstantial and absurd claims and using that to deny and outright fact. You must be a lawyer.

Your argument ignored evidence, takes half of a statement and blows it out of proportion, something you're famous for doing.

Nice analogy for your own argument. "What surfer said wasn't true because this happened!!!!"

The sheer denial is palpable here.

You dismiss on-panel evidence, misinterpret scans, blow statements out of proportion, and when you can't counter a point you plug your ears.

Originally posted by Board Walker
I think Majestic should be added to these contenders for top herald, although by the end of his run he became skyfather.

Or some form of abstract.

He also died from chronal poisoning, and became a sociopath in the Wildstorm reboot.

.hate time travel.

People are insulting One-Punch when he's the only one who has provided solid evidence. Everyone else is either clinging on to the same statement or dismissing his evidence.

Originally posted by zopzop
Yup. Nicely done. 👆

Originally posted by Raisen
People are insulting One-Punch when he's the only one who has provided solid evidence. Everyone else is either clinging on to the same statement or dismissing his evidence.

I've provided scans, on-panel statements, character quotes, and laid everything out in a logical sequence as best I could.

Abhi and Dambo's response? Dismiss everything, answer none of my questions, provide nothing, and plug their ears. That's usually a sign that you've lost the debate.

You are not factoring in your status as a Glinting Bastard.

That automatically diminishes your argument by 20%!

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
You are not factoring in your status as a Glinting Bastard.

That automatically diminishes your argument by 20%!

Originally posted by One-Punch
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I've provided scans, on-panel statements, character quotes, and laid everything out in a logical sequence as best I could.

Abhi and Dambo's response? Dismiss everything, answer none of my questions, provide nothing, and plug their ears. That's usually a sign that you've lost the debate.

everyone is bias whether they realize it or not. it is human nature.

abhi doesn't want to acknowledge your argument because it will become a threat to superman in one way or another

dambo is the same way except for thor.

no offense to either one, but it is what it is.

Surfer flat-out states "Never before have I felt so powerful".

How is that line not ending the discussion right away? It couldn't be more clear.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
You are not factoring in your status as a Glinting Bastard.

That automatically diminishes your argument by 20%!

😆

Originally posted by One-Punch
The only mockery here is your blatant attempt to avoid addressing any of the points.

Loki says: "Now that thou has passed thy test, tis' time to speak the truth! Thy [b]power is needed to safeguard Asgard!"

Also, I never knew tests of "strength" involved huge amounts of energy, lightning bolts, and power swirling around...

And why would Loki (who's not known for his strength), test Surfer (who's not known for his strength), in a strength contest?

Talk about atrocious reasoning right?

Maybe you really are dyslexic. Loki states on panel Surfer matched his power.

"It cannot be!! Thou art but mortal!! Thou canst not match my godly force!"

If you want to ignore the huge amount of on-panel evidence that Surfer was weakened, then go ahead. It's an ongoing trend of yours.

Again, you disregard on-panel evidence.

Loki stated Surfer matched his godly power on panel.

No leaps at all.

Whats obvious though is your inability to grasp basic logic. Maybe if you didn't spend so much time ignoring on-panel statements and evidence.

My argument is backed up by on-panel evidence and statements, and has a logical conclusion.

Your argument ignored evidence, takes half of a statement and blows it out of proportion, something you're famous for doing.

No, I'm dismantling your absurd literal interpretation of something meant to figurative. Something you learn in Grade 2 English class.

I provide evidence and logically back up my argument, and this makes me in denial?

You dismiss on-panel evidence, misinterpret scans, blow statements out of proportion, and when you can't counter a point you plug your ears. [/B]

Originally posted by One-Punch
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I've provided scans, on-panel statements, character quotes, and laid everything out in a logical sequence as best I could.

Abhi and Dambo's response? Dismiss everything, answer none of my questions, provide nothing, and plug their ears. That's usually a sign that you've lost the debate.

Originally posted by One-Punch
Well even if it was reduced by 90% it's still a better argument than what abhi has. 🤣

*surfer was essentially running on a fraction of power which is basically taking surfer's own statement at face value. But when it comes to Surfer saying that he was more powerful than ever, he flat out denies it.

*Loki was exact equal of surfer in power. His power contribution brought surfer back to full power despite surfer flat out saying he was more powerful than before.

*Some other leaps of logic so horrendous, it beggars imagination.

Last line doesn't counts BTW

😛

Originally posted by One-Punch
[B]The only mockery here is your blatant attempt to avoid addressing any of the points.

You don't have to think eh? Well that explains why your post is devoid of any intelligence.

Did you not read the scans?

Loki was testing Surfer's powers, not strength.