Originally posted by Damborgson
He certainly did not. Even having his powers increased greatly it was a good fight with Thor's usual restraint being in place.
This is literally the entire fight. Surfer had Thor at his mercy with a few blasts. It looks pretty one-sided to me.
Also Surfer wasn't greatly amped. He was depowered to a fraction of his original power when Loki lent him power, so that made things more even.
Surfer even references his depowered just prior to his fight with Thor.
Originally posted by One-Punch
Her certainly did.This is literally the entire fight. Surfer had Thor at his mercy with a few blasts. It looks pretty one-sided to me.
Also Surfer wasn't greatly amped. He was depowered to a fraction of his original power when Loki lent him power, so that made things more even.
Surfer even references his depowered just prior to his fight with Thor.
No it isn't.
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsSilverSurfer01SS04.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsSilverSurfer02.jpg
You left those out.
Also:
Thank you for making me review the fight. Not only was he amped, but he freely admits that Mjolnir is > his own power. And to top it off, after a hate fueled assault guided by Loki's power onto his, Thor's up on the next page. It's not even remotely comparable to the vicious beatings delivered to Surfer by Thor in B&T.
Originally posted by Damborgson
No it isn't.http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsSilverSurfer01SS04.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsSilverSurfer02.jpgYou left those out.
You realize those scans you posted are of Surfer vs. Asgard... which doesn't help your case, because Surfer looked like he was wrecking Asgard.
The scans I posted were of Surfer's actual 1on1 fight with Thor.
Also:
Funny, because those scans were included in my post. Except for the last one, which you cropped out. Probably because it shows Balder and Sif coming to Thor's aid. It even shows Sif having to help Thor up after Surfer's onslaught.
Thank you for making me review the fight. Not only was he amped, but he freely admits that Mjolnir is > his own power. And to top it off, after a hate fueled assault guided by Loki's power onto his, Thor's up on the next page. It's not even remotely comparable to the vicious beatings delivered to Surfer by Thor in B&T.
Sure Loki amped him, but there are caveats, which are obvious to anyone whose read classic Surfer during the 70's.
You can't ignore Surfer was depowered during that era:
You can't ignore Surfer was operating at a fraction of his original power:
You can't ignore the fact that Surfer made reference to his depowered state (SS#2) an issue before his fight with Thor (SS#4):
So, this means Surfer had a fraction of his power when Loki gave him an amp. Do you now comprehend this? Or are you going to ignore facts and on-panel evidence?
If Surfer was depowered to a fraction of his power, and then given an amp, where does that leave him? Use your brain.
Either way, the fight ended with Thor laying on the ground crawling to Mjolnir. He would've been a goner if Surfer hadn't stopped his onslaught because he realized he was being manipulated by Loki.
Originally posted by One-Punch
You realize those scans you posted are of Surfer vs. Asgard... which doesn't help your case, because Surfer looked like he was wrecking Asgard.The scans I posted were of Surfer's actual 1on1 fight with Thor.
Funny, because those scans were included in my post. Except for the last one, which you cropped out. Probably because it shows Balder and Sif coming to Thor's aid. It even shows Sif having to help Thor up after Surfer's onslaught.
Sure Loki amped him, but there are caveats, which are obvious to anyone whose read classic Surfer during the 70's.
[b]You can't ignore Surfer was depowered during that era:
You can't ignore Surfer was operating at a fraction of his original power:
You can't ignore the fact that Surfer made reference to his depowered state (SS#2) an issue before his fight with Thor (SS#4):
So, this means Surfer had a fraction of his power when Loki gave him an amp. Do you now comprehend this? Or are you going to ignore facts and on-panel evidence?
If Surfer was depowered to a fraction of his power, and then given an amp, where does that leave him? Use your brain.
Either way, the fight ended with Thor laying on the ground crawling to Mjolnir. He would've been a goner if Surfer hadn't stopped his onslaught because he realized he was being manipulated by Loki. [/B]
Except Thor was in the mix of it all, making it part of the Thor vs Surfer fight. My case has nothing to do with Surfer vs Asgard, so it's neutral to it.
Nobody said they weren't, I pointed them out for all to see because they were specific points of interest.
Those are irreverent scans. As good as it made you feel to bold those words and pretend they meant anything, attributing arguments to me that I never made no less, it doesn't matter. There's nothing I need to comprehend, you're not even arguing against something I said so...rant on I guess.
Even if he was not at 100% BEFORE the fight, he admits, as I posted, to being amped. More power than ever before according to him. So....how was he not greatly amped?
Vague phrases like "fraction of power" are not even close to concrete. That fraction of his power, could be 9/10 for all you know 🙂 it could be 1/10. Does it matter? No, because Loki made him more powerful than ever before, to the point where he felt he needed to point out that he'd have never matched Mjolnir without the amp.
Thor was on the ground, doesn't mean he would have stayed there. Understand, skyfathers cant prevent Mjolnir from returning to Thor's hand if he doesn't want them to. On top of that, after his super enhanced attacks, Thor forgets they even happened 2 pages later.
Bring up something new, or let it go. Because your "point" is lost.
Originally posted by Damborgson
Except Thor was in the mix of it all, making it part of the Thor vs Surfer fight. My case has nothing to do with Surfer vs Asgard, so it's neutral to it.
Those are irreverent scans. As good as it made you feel to bold those words and pretend they meant anything, attributing arguments to me that I never made no less, it doesn't matter. There's nothing I need to comprehend, you're not even arguing against something I said so...rant on I guess.
Why wouldn't Surfer being extremely weakened during that time be relevant? The whole point is to counter your statement that Surfer was "greatly" amped. We know that in the Thor fight, Surfer was both depowered and amped at the same time.
My point is the depowerement and amp offset each other.
Even if he was not at 100% BEFORE the fight, he admits, as I posted, to being amped. More power than ever before according to him. So....how was he not greatly amped?
Vague phrases like "fraction of power" are not even close to concrete. That fraction of his power, could be 9/10 for all you know 🙂 it could be 1/10.
"It has almost totally drained me of my cosmic power"
Does "almost totally drained" sound closer to 1/10 or 9/10 to you? I think it's obvious.
Does it matter? No, because Loki made him more powerful than ever before, to the point where he felt he needed to point out that he'd have never matched Mjolnir without the amp.
Yes it matters. Context always matters. All Loki did was add his power to an extremely weakened Surfer. Loki isn't known to be a powerhouse either. In fact, in the same comic an extremely weakened Surfer was able to match Loki in power. So do the math.
Thor was on the ground, doesn't mean he would have stayed there.
Understand, skyfathers cant prevent Mjolnir from returning to Thor's hand if he doesn't want them to.
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Yet a weakened Surfer with Loki's amp can contain Mjolnir. I guess Loki is above skyfather level. Don't be rediculous.
On top of that, after his super enhanced attacks, Thor forgets they even happened 2 pages later.
Maybe because Thor was more focused on Loki and his plot. Both Surfer and Thor stopped fighting when they realized Loki was pulling the strings.
Originally posted by psycho gundam
Written down Silver surfer vs one if not the best outside of King Thor Thors. OK
Originally posted by One-Punch
I guess that makes them even, since Surfer did trash Thor in their very first encounter.
Originally posted by One-Punch
You realize those scans you posted are of Surfer vs. Asgard... which doesn't help your case, because Surfer looked like he was wrecking Asgard.The scans I posted were of Surfer's actual 1on1 fight with Thor.
Funny, because those scans were included in my post. Except for the last one, which you cropped out. Probably because it shows Balder and Sif coming to Thor's aid. It even shows Sif having to help Thor up after Surfer's onslaught.
Sure Loki amped him, but there are caveats, which are obvious to anyone whose read classic Surfer during the 70's.
[b]You can't ignore Surfer was depowered during that era:
You can't ignore Surfer was operating at a fraction of his original power:
You can't ignore the fact that Surfer made reference to his depowered state (SS#2) an issue before his fight with Thor (SS#4):
So, this means Surfer had a fraction of his power when Loki gave him an amp. Do you now comprehend this? Or are you going to ignore facts and on-panel evidence?
If Surfer was depowered to a fraction of his power, and then given an amp, where does that leave him? Use your brain.
Either way, the fight ended with Thor laying on the ground crawling to Mjolnir. He would've been a goner if Surfer hadn't stopped his onslaught because he realized he was being manipulated by Loki. [/B]
Not sure how you can say that Surfer was not amped with a straight face.
Originally posted by One-Punch
I didn't say he wasn't amped. I said he was severely depowered when he received Loki's power, and that they offset each other.
It was nowhere mentioned that it only brought him to full power. You are just randomly mentioning that. It was outright stated that he was more powerful than EVER though.
Originally posted by abhilegend
He didn't say that. He specifically said that [b]he felt powerful like never before. That includes the time when he was full powered.It was nowhere mentioned that it only brought him to full power. You are just randomly mentioning that. It was outright stated that he was more powerful than EVER though. [/B]
And wouldn't you feel more "powerful than ever" if you've been weakened for so long, and then all of a sudden receive power?
Surfer has also said things like his power can destroy a galaxy, or he can do virtually anything with the PC. But you don't see me taking this literally, even if it does make Surfer look better.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
There's no way to tell whether he the amp was small or large. And there's noway to tell how much he was weakened prior
Originally posted by One-Punch
Yeah but you don't take that statement literally. Not every statement in a comic book is literal, what a shock I know.And wouldn't you feel more "powerful than ever" if you've been weakened for so long, and then all of a sudden receive power?
Surfer has also said things like his power can destroy a galaxy, or he can do virtually anything with the PC. But you don't see me taking this literally, even if it does make Surfer look better.
What we have is that Surfer received an amp and he stated that it made him more powerful than he ever felt. There should be no discussion after that, the writer made it clear cut.
And are you seriously trying to say that Surfer "forgot" how powerful he was when it was literally weeks after FF 72 when he fought Thor and how he was moaning everytime about his power level? What the hell? Who are you and what have you done to vince?
And now we're using hyperboles to dismiss a clear statement to inform about an amp. Desperate vince, real desperate.
Originally posted by abhilegend
We can surely say so by surfer's own admission.
Surfer also says he was "almost totally drained of his cosmic power" so that tells use how severe his depowerement was.
In this case where Surfer received an amp and directly states so? Why not? You are asking me to prove a negative. Not all statements are false, horrors!!!!What we have is that Surfer received an amp and he stated that it made him more powerful than he ever felt. There should be no discussion after that, the writer made it clear cut.
No, but I don't know why I'm wasting my time trying to explain to the difference between literal speech and figurative speech in a children's comic book to you.
Example: I was sick the other day, I received meds, and after taking them I told my doctor I felt better than ever before. Yes I do feel better, but it's not to be taken literally.
You need to learn to make the distinction, especially in comic books. This is probably a reason why some of the feats you post are discounted.
And are you seriously trying to say that Surfer "forgot" how powerful he was when it was literally weeks after FF 72 when he fought Thor and how he was moaning everytime about his power level? What the hell? Who are you and what have you done to vince?
First off, we don't know how long it's been since FF 72 and the start of Surfer's first volume. They're two different titles, there's no time indication, so it could be a week or even a year.
And now we're using hyperboles to dismiss a clear statement to inform about an amp. Desperate vince, real desperate.
Skipping all this pointless banter, what it really boils down to is how big was Loki's amp, and how large was Surfer's depowerement. I think we have answers to both those questions.
Originally posted by Damborgson
This is a good example of why I don't do this anymore lol. Might as well be talking to a tree. A stubborn teenage tree that will refute whatever I say no matter how wrong it is.
Originally posted by One-PunchAnd why is that important when he got an amp which made him more powerful than ever?
Surfer also says he was "almost totally drained of his cosmic power" so that tells use how severe his depowerement was.
No, but I don't know why I'm wasting my time trying to explain to the difference between literal speech and figurative speech in a children's comic book to you.So you have nothing but your own interpretations which are flat out contradicted by the comic? Good.
Example: I was sick the other day, I received meds, and after taking them I told my doctor I felt better than ever before. Yes I do feel better, but it's not to be taken literally.So, nothing from the comic itself? Did you receive someone else's power to compensate for your weakness? That'd be weird.You need to learn to make the distinction, especially in comic books. This is probably a reason why some of the feats you post are discounted.
First off, we don't know how long it's been since FF 72 and the start of Surfer's first volume. They're two different titles, there's no time indication, so it could be a week or even a year.
It was made clear that only some months had passed when Surfer was trying to pass the barrier in Hulk 250 and that was pretty far after SS v1. It was again stated in SS v3 1.
Again, I know the difference between figurative speech (which includes hyperbole btw) and literal speech. But you don't.Stop the patronizing tone. Post a scan which contradicts surfer's claim about the amp or shut up.
Skipping all this pointless banter, what it really boils down to is how big was Loki's amp, and how large was Surfer's depowerement. I think we have answers to both those questions.Loki's amp made him more powerful than before and I'd take on panel description of the amp over your speculations any day of the week.
I've layed my points nice and neatly for you. If you can't address them, then concession accepted. Ad-hominem brush offs don't count as arguments.Hah, this is like talking to quan now. No real facts, just stubbornness. And even using concession? Rich
Originally posted by abhilegend
And why is that important when he got an amp which made him more powerful than ever?
Because the depowerement and amp offset each other to a certain extent? Even a 12 year old can grasp this.
So you have nothing but your own interpretations which are flat out contradicted by the comic? Good.
But this is ironic, coming from someone with a legendary reputation for faulty interpretation (in favor of a certain character and always against his rivals), and having his feats debunked repeatedly.
So, nothing from the comic itself? Did you receive someone else's power to compensate for your weakness? That'd be weird.
Surfer says he feels more powerful than ever. In the same sentence Surfer also said he felt invincible. He also says it feels it's been decreed he can't fail.
These are all common figures of speeches used in literature and in everyday language. But he's not literally more powerful than he's ever been out of all his appearances, nor is he literally invincible, nor can he literally not fail ever again.
All it means is he feels more powerful. That is it.
It was made clear that only some months had passed when Surfer was trying to pass the barrier in Hulk 250 and that was pretty far after SS v1. It was again stated in SS v3 1.
Stop the patronizing tone. Post a scan which contradicts surfer's claim about the amp or shut up.
The difference is you don't know the difference between figurative and literal speech. And you expect me to trust your interpretation? The same person whose "interpretations" have been debunked countless times.
Loki's amp made him more powerful than before and I'd take on panel description of the amp over your speculations any day of the week.
Hah, this is like talking to quan now. No real facts, just stubbornness. And even using concession? Rich
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Says abhilegend, whose reputation is just as bad if not worse. At least Quan is entertaining and funny. You're practically dyslexic when it comes to reading comics.
