for those who have seen matrix 2

Hmm it's interesting that people are leaning that way. I dont though.

Odin,

I think the whole thing with neo and the sentinels is real, instead of another matrix. Because Neo is'nt the only one. This includes agent smith aswell, For agent smith to

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cross over

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human, as you can see he cut himself indisbelief, and as a test to try and assassinate neo

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If he can be human in real life, then Neo can be machine in real life. It's like they switched roles. Machine became man, Man became Machine. Also think about it, they said they found only one survivor from the destroyed ship, but this is not because agents smith's new human body is powerful in the real world, it's because HE sabotaged the ship himslef. However HE is fragile as ever, where Neo is powerfull for real.

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When Neo first moved like an agent in part 1, did he pass out? No. But now in the real world he has powers, and it took a toll on him. I think he passed out this time, because it's real, and his body has never experienced this. That's the difference between the virtual reality of the Matrix, and the Reality of life.

I think some of what the Architect say's is total rubbish, and may be a bluff to make Neo think one way. Also this movie tried to put the oracle in a bad light subtly, but this is only temporary I think.

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I get this because when Neo mentioned the oracle as the mother of the matrix, the architect tried to downplay her significance...sounds to me like he fears her, and if he fears her, then I feel she's telling the truth and the true hope lies within her, the architect is just twisting things

Originally posted by razorrex10

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ok well they are all in morpheus ship then the siren goes off telling there is a sentinel or sentinels in this case are nere by and neo tells they everybody they just threw a bomb so there running off the ship and it explodes and then the machines were coming after them and neo turns around and stops and he says somethings different i can feel them so he puts out his arm and tells the machines to shut down and he goes into a coma and there was a survivor in this big wreck and it's a guy that agent smith infected him

well, i'm gonna put ALL of this in the spoiler tags even though i'm sure not all of it is. i don't wanna get yelled at and have super imposed editing happening on my posts.

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i saw the movie for a second time today. i got a lot more information this time that i didn't notice or pay attention to the first. what i thought was going on i do not believe anymore. the matrix within a matrix within a matrix....i don't think that's the case now.

first: odin, the guys in the chateau are not the "the one" versions 1.0 - 5.0. they are werewolfs and or vampires. Persephone killed one of them with a silver bullet. what else dies with a silver bullet? plus the movie they were watching, it was some kind of cheap horror flick, with a vampire/werewolf character on it.

as for the french dude, he is just a program as the oracle said. his wife however, i believe is completely different. i'll get to that in a sec.

Zion the city, i now believe, is the place where all the anomalaic people go. when neo was talking to the architect of the matrix, he said that the first 2 matricies were failures because no one accepted the programming. everyone wanted to have "free will" and have choice. that's when he mentions "the mother" of the matrix, who at the conscious level gave humans the illusion of choice, but at the subconscious level, knew that they had none. this new type of programming worked for 99.9% (number might not be right) of all people.

this is where the anomalies come in. the anomalies are aware that something is wrong with the world, this "wrongness" is their knowledge that there is no choice, it has all been predestined. they are aware that "choice" is an illusion, and once that becomes apparent, their mind becomes free in a sense. or at least, that's when their mind is ready to be freed. Further proof of this is when Neo himself is freed. He said that he doesn't like the idea that he's not in control of his own life; he has a hard time adjusting to the truth that his entire life was within a computer program. Therefore, Zion is the place where the"trouble makers" of the matrix are dumped to keep the matrix running smoothly

Once the major anomaly, "the one" comes along, however, he is there to free all of the human minds and bring them into the real world, where there is such a thing as choice and freedom.

from The Matrix: "I'm going to hang up this phone, and then i'm going to show these people what you don't want them to see. I'm going to show them a world without you, a world without rules and control, without borders or boundries, a world where anything is possible. Where we go from there, is a choice i leave to you."

Major use of irony there, though he doesn't even realize it. He says this before he learns of "choice" But, the Wachowsky brothers did this with full realization. They do everything with full realization.

Now that the major anomaly has been discovered as being Neo, he as a "choice" to make. Because The Architect does not want all minds to become free, he needs to get rid of the anomaly (Neo) or the machines die from lack of energy.

the choice is: get rid of this anomaly by destroying Zion and putting Neo, 7 men and 16 women into Zion, or the entire human race will become extinct, but Neo will save Trinity. Neo, blinded my emotion is lead to save trinity.

BTW, the 7 men and 16 women part fits in with the first movie when Morpheus said something like: when the matrix was created there was a man who would change the matrix as he self it. He freed the first of us...etc. That man was the previous "chosen one"

Next, i believe that Persephone will play a much bigger part in revolutions.
Why didn't the french guy do anything when Persephone betrayed him? All he said was: woman, you'll be the death of me.
He didn't do anything because he couldn't. She had control over him. The greek myth of persephone itself is that she became goddess of the underworld. (underworld: what better place for vampires and werewolfs?) more hinting that she is the one of power.

When the architect mentioned the "mother" of the matrix, he scoffed at neo asking if she was the oracle. Mother, as well as the character of hope is always portrayed by a woman. I believe that Persephone is both "the mother" of the matrix and "Hope" herself. She helped Morpheus, Neo and Trinity to get to the "source" by allowing them to get the keymaker. Aside for Morpheus, Neo and Trinity are doubtful as they are in the elevator, that they will get the keymaker. Persephone gives them hope.

The Architect said as neo was walking towards the door: "Hope is mankind's greatest strength, it is also it's greatest weakness", forshadowing that Persephone with be of great help to Neo and the others in the next installment but may become a liablity. Or perhaps, with her, they will win - making her mankinds greatest strength, but without her, it is folly - making her their greatest weakness.

As for Smith, this is just plain weird. I believe that Smith has become an "alter ego" to Neo if you will. When he was destroyed by Neo in the first movie, part of Smith became implantd onto Neo, and part of Neo onto Smith. This is how Smith became "free" within the matrix. He became an anomaly, just as Neo had. Just as Smith wasn't killed in the counter-strike, Neo was able to stop the sentinals. There isn't much more to say on this subject, but it is out of all of them, the most important. I've seen the matrix revolutions teaser at the end of reloaded, and a huge fight between the two seems to be a major event of signifigance of the movie. I'm sure we'll learn more of this once revolutions comes out.

Goddamn, i've said a lot. sorry guys just a lot of things that needed to be said. To sum up:

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"the one" = bad for machines, but too powerful to stop. threaten him with destruction of all mankind plus destruction of zion, or take 23 of his homies and start new zion. zion dead either way.

i'm sure you're asking, why would the architect be willing to kill all machines, when he would die himself. answer: that's a dupe. he said that all of "the one"s had a certain amount of attachment to humanity, and none wanted to be held responsible for it's extinction.

persephone = hope and mother of matrix

smith = i don't know, but very damn important

good lads, now you all aint spoiling it for those tempted to look in at the thread, if they highlight it well then no one is to blame but themselves

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Smith finds Neo with the Oracle because he new he would be there. In the begining you see an envelope being give to a character to take back to zion. That envelope is the message from the Oracle to Neo on where to meet her. Smith loads a copy of himself into the guy and gets the message. What you don't see (if i am correct) is that Niobi and Ghost retrieve this message from the post office while the agents are searching for it (that is in the video game and parrallels the movie, the game is awesome).

My take on Smith was that when Neo jumped into him he changed Smiths programing and freed him of the control of the creator program. Once he is free "so to speek", he gets really curious and want's to take over the Matrix and the Machines for himself. I thought this was a circle leading back to this..... In the first movie Smith talks to Morpheus about the evil of man and how we are a virus that divides and conqours so to speak. But in reality this is the same thing that the Machines or the Programs are doing to themselves. Once they are free they want power and to control, but others want to co-exist, an still others just want their piece of the pie. So in the end they are just like us. I thougt this movie was really deep and liked it alot, and I am also sure that 90% of the people who saw it are just confused and can't figure it out.

As far as the end, they set it up for a thriller ending in the next one, as they leave a lot to the imagination. My take was this... The matrix is created and they make it a paradise, but some humans won't accept the programming and this causes it to crash as those minds reak havoc in the programing. The creator decides that the problem is that humans have a natural predication towards chaos and there for need to be given a world with more choices. This world would allow us to be free to choose and to create of destroy as we please. However, because we are not given a choice to be in this world or not, some minds will question this reality still and fight the program. So the Creator creates the anomoly called the One and allows this person to take some humans and create Zion. The purpose of this is that these humans will be allowed to find and contact the minds that are not accepting the programing and remove them from the Matrix, there by helping it to survive. One of the themes in the movie is that we need machines to survive and they need us. The anomoly/The One has a cycle and will always return to the master program at which time Zion is destroyed and the cycle starts again. My take on Neo was that the program puts a certain amount of code in his head to control this process, so he is human, but has an understanding of the Matrix that allows him to interact with it and return to the creator when it is time.

I also took it that Trinity was put there as control for Neo that would not allow him to kill the creator or Master program. His human emotion for love will alwalys leed him to rescue her and try and save Zion and it's people. Also the last choice the creator shows Neo is that by destroying the Matrix he will kill the billions of people living in it. But they do leave it confusing, or at least make you question it. If the cycle keeps happening over and over again, it would appear that it is all the matrix. That Zion and what appears to be the real world is a program to give the illusion that you are making a choice to stay in the Matrix or fight for human kind, there for keeping the minds that won't accept there reality from breaking the master program. But, you can tell from the creators response to Neo that the Anomoly/The One is getting smarter which would imply that either the program is getting smarter or his human side has seen it enough to start figuring it out. Also when he stops the Centinals, you think, wait how can he do that it must be the Matrix. But the last thing you see is that he is im a coma, implying that it took to much energy to stop the centinals, and his body could not take it so he must be human. I LOVE IT HEHEHE...

Confused!!! I am but I think I understand enough and that the next movie will make it all clear. I love the fact that I am thinking way to much about this movie and the plot. This movies was amazing and really deep and I love it.

This is just ideas in my head and I look forward to hearing other responses. Is anyone on the same page as me or thinking along the same lines? Or does anyone have other take or changes to this rational.

OK SINCE IT IS SO BLOODY HARD TO COMPREHEND USE SPOILER TAGS

I thought your impressions are awesome and right on.

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I totally over looked Persephone as the mother, but did get that the Oracle was not.

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One thing that puzzeled me was that if the Oracle has always been there and knows that the cycle keeps repeating itself, and that Neo has already made his choices. Then why not just say "HEY SNAP OUT OF IT" this is what happened 6 times before, and you need to make a different choice. Maybe that would be to easy hehehe.

If 90% of the people don't understand the Movie, and 10% do, and assuming that we are that 10%, does that Make us an Anomoly and parrallel us to the movie? Make you think!

Well the oricle appears to me to be a control program to lead "the one" to the architect therfore she wouldnt want, or should i say programed, to tell neo to break the cycle. but in saying that it almost seemed to me like there was some animosity between the architect and the oricle. perhaps he was upset he needed her to get the matrix to work. maybe she was there to guide all of "the ones" to the architect but now she sees that neo is the true one. who knows there is so many ways to go with this show we will all just have to waite for 6 months to find out for sure.

also, i liked the idea of the french dude and his hench men being the other "the ones". props to whoever thought of that one.

Yo Baulderg2! man, we're on the same level man, i completely over looked that smith had turned into the virus metaphor he mentioned in the first movie! This is more proof that smith has become more human. and

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neo stopping the sentinal

Hah, that's another good parallel, we've already freed our minds, now it's up to us to free the 90% of the others who don't get the movie.

the other people with the french dude being "the one" before neo, while a good idea, is wrong.

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every anomaly chose to to take 23 people and start a new zion, making it impossible for those people to be the older versions of "the one" Why would they be in the matrix if they were "the one"?

that idea doesn't work with that line from the first movie.

well another problem with that idea is that they would have to be really old, thousands of years old. the only way they could twist it to make it work is that all "the ones" are actually computer programs. imagine that if Neo turns out to be a program (which would only be possible if zion was in the matrix). trippy!

Yeah weird he chose Trinty over 249,000 people but hey he's the "one" though.

You know I thought the Arcutact was going to be Bill Gates are someting.

Here's the Dialouge from the last scene between Neo and The Architect.

I stole this from another board so all the credit goes to Drxlecter 🙂

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Architect: Hello Neo

Neo: Who are you?

Architect: I am the Architect. I created the Matrix. I have been waiting for you. You have many questions and although the process has altered your consciousness you remain irrevocably human, ergo some of my answers you will understand and some of them you will not. Concordantly, while your first question maybe the most pertinent you may or may not realize it is also the most irrelevant.

Neo: Why am I here?

Architect: Your life is the sum of a remainder of an unbalanced equation inherent in the programming of the matrix. You are the eventuality of an anomaly which despite my sincerest efforts I have been unable to eliminate from what is otherwise a harmony of mathematical precision. While it remains a burden deciduously avoided it is not unexpected and thus not beyond a measure of control. Which has led you inexcerably here.

Neo: You haven’t answered my question.

Architect: Quite right. Interesting, that was quicker then the others.

Neo: Others? (What others? How many? Answer me)

Architect: The Matrix is older then you know. I prefer counting from the emergence of one integral anomaly to the emergence of the next. In which case this is the sixth version.

Neo: Then there are only two possible explanations, either no one told me, or no one knows.

Architect: Precisely, as you are undoubtedly gathering the anomaly is systemic. Creating fluctuations in even the most simplistic equations.

Neo: Choice, the problem is choice.

Architect: The first matrix I designed was quite naturally perfect; it was a work of art, flawless, sublime. A triumph equaled only by its monumental failure. The inevitability of its doom is apparent to me now as a consequence of the imperfection inherent in every human being. Thus, I redesigned it, Based on your history to more accurately reflect the varying grotesqueries of your nature. However I was again frustrated my failure. I have since come to understand that the answer eluded me because it required a lesser mind a mind less bound by the parameters of perfection. Thus the answer was stumbled upon by another, and intuitive program, initially created to investigate certain aspects of the human psyche. If I am the father of the matrix, she would undoubtedly be its mother.

Neo: The Oracle

Architect: Please, as I was saying she stumbled upon a solution whereby nearly 99 percent of all test subjects accepted the program as long as they were given a choice, even if they were only aware of the choice at an unconscious level. While this answered function it was obviously fundamentally flawed thus creating the otherwise contradictory systemic anomaly. That if left unchecked might threaten the system itself, ergo those that refuse the program while the minority if unchecked would cause an escalating probability of disaster.

Neo: This is about Zion

Architect: You are here because Zion is about to be destroyed. Its every living inhabitant terminated, its entire existence eradicated.

Neo: Bull****

Architect: Denial is the most predictable of all human responses. But, rest assured, this will be the sixth time we have destroyed it. And we have become exceedingly efficient at it. The function of the One is now to return to the source allowing a temporary dissemination of the code you carry reinserting the prime program after which you will be required to select from the matrix 23 individuals, 16 female 7 male, to rebuild Zion. Failure to comply with this process will result in a cataclysmic system crash killing everyone connected to the matrix. Which, coupled with the extermination of Zion will ultimately result in the extinction of the entire human race.

Neo: You won’t let it happen, you can’t. You need human beings to survive.

Architect: There are levels of survival we are prepared to accept. However the relevant issue is whether you are ready to accept the responsibility for the death of every human being in this world. It is interesting reading your reactions. Your 5 predecessors were by design based on a similar predication a contingent affirmation that was meant to create a profound attachment to the rest of your species facilitating the function of the One. While the others experienced this in a very general way your experience is far more specific, Vis a vie love.

Neo: Trinity

Architect: Apropo, she entered the matrix to save your life at the cost of her own.

Neo: No

Architect: Which brings us at last to the moment of truth, wherein the fundamental flaw is ultimately expressed and the anomaly revealed as both beginning and end. There are two doors, the door to your right leads to the source and the salvation of Zion, the door to your left leads back to the matrix to her and to the end of your species. As you adequately put, the problem is choice. But we already know we you are going to do don’t we? Already I can see the chain reaction the chemical precursors that signal the onset of an emotion designed specifically to overwhelm logic and reason. An emotion that is already blinding you from the simple and obvious truth, she is going to die and there is nothing you can do to stop it. Hope, it is the quintessential human delusion simultaneously the source of your greatest strength and your greatest weakness.

Neo: If I were you, I would hope that we don’t meet again.

Architect: We won’t.

If 90% of the people don't understand the Movie, and 10% do, and assuming that we are that 10%, does that Make us an Anomoly and parrallel us to the movie? Make you think

Hey I resemble that remark 🙂
And I never said I understand it, but I do like trying to.

I wouldn't say that 90% are confused. I would say that 90% don't try to deeply understand it & don't feel confused, because they understand the basic prinsipals of the movie. 😐

Yeah it's hard to understand but I understood it.

well the first Matrix wasnt hard to understand so why should this one be?

i dont think the movie is too difficult to understand, but i do think that it would be impossible to come up with what happens next as your watching the movie, thats why i think the movie is so clever, you can follow it easy enough, but you need to pay attention or you will be lost.