Originally posted by Newjak
But they did have brand names... the Joker and Harley Quinn. Why do you think they showed Leto so much in the trailers. To cash in on Batman's brand.It doesn't have the best word of mouth. Even people I see defendit simply defend it as okay while still understanding it is a flawed movie. After all even it's general audience score on RT is 67% while the first Thor is 76%. The first Captain America is 74%. So even Marvel's earlier not IM movies still had an overall better reception then SS.
And I can admit those movies were not complete masterpieces. Most of them had amazing acts predated or followed by subpar ones. They were a mixed bunch.
I just hate to see an incredibly flawed movie like SS make such good money because it encourages WB to continue on this route. I hope I'm wrong but SS and BvS were less stellar kick offs to the DCEU. They were films with massive quality issues in plot, writing, being overcrowded. I would rather SS do bad and force WB to actually focus on quality throughout instead of forcing it.
Hardly anyone knew Harley Quinn before this movie tbh. She was a fan favorite much like Deadpool, but the wider audience definitely had no clue as to who she was before this film.
Did Joker help the marketing? Sure. But most people are still hung up on Ledger's version, and really who is Joker without Batman? I don't remember any Joker solo movie making a Billion dollars or anything.
I don't believe in audience scores. You get haters voting 0/10, and fanboys voting 10/10. Audiences truly speak through their dollars. First at the box office, and later again on Home Entertainment sales. But still I get your point. I do think Marvel was way more effective in their Phase I than DC have been. But it again comes to comparing it to Marvel. As if either DC has to match Marvel quality or it's a failure.
I personally prefer the DCEU so far to say the first X-Men trilogy. Also prefer BvS and SS to other blockbusters this year like X-Men Apoc and Star Trek Beyond, both of which I found underwhelming to say the least. But people don't make those kind of comparisons, they only compare it to Marvel.
In terms of DC making money for bad products, which will encourage more bad stuff... Look they know very well BvS under performed. And as a result the've made a lot of changes, and it seems Zack Snyder is gone after JL1. Even though he was initially signed on for JL1 and JL2.
So like I said, audiences speak through their dollars.