Create a strike team to kill ROTS Sidious

I agree that Mace defeated Sidious for reals and did not let Mace win. But Sidious showed his cunning in the situation when Anakin entered. He used the force lightning to make himself look pitiable, secure that Anakin would be too emotional to notice that Sidious - not Mace - was the one who was generating the lightning. And he calculated correctly that it would push Anakin over the edge to intervene against Mace, and that Anakin was messed up and naive enough to think he had made an irrevocable choice.

I don't think that exact scenario was his plan all along, but Sidious was a master of setting plans into motion that he could twist to his advantage whichever way things turned out. Whether the separatists or the republic won did not matter. Whether Dooku or Anakin won did not matter. Whether Vader or Luke won did not matter. (Except that he did not foresee Luke taking a third path - laying down his saber.)

But even granting for argument's sake that they stalemated until Sidious threw the fight, then adding Yoda should do the trick, since Sidious would be fighting two guys that he couldn't defeat singly.

His help was Anakin's presence, I hope no one is trying infer the B team helped in that fight at all. Maybe Fisto slightly, and maybe the fact that he decided to blitz Kolar and Tiin first, thus allowing Mace to ease into Vaapad.

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Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Of course... at that point... Sids wasn't completely done.. He obviously still had some juice left but was still a beaten mane.. He only feigned being totally weak and unable to do anything more. That part was the faking... he still got disarmed and had a saber to his throat.. that wasn't part of the plan. Sids lost... plain and simple.

That wasn't what I was referring to. Obviously he wasn't as weak as he pretended to be at the end.

The theory is that Sidious senses Anakin's arrival and lets Windu hit him in the face as it is the only way he'll lose without getting wounded. So maybe Sidious lost on purpose and pretended to be the victim till he realized Windu wouldn't try to kill him, which wasn't good for Palpatine as he wanted Windu to push Anakin into doing something that will lead him to the dark side with no turning back which is why he attacked Windu with his lightning. He made Windu believe that Sidious was too dangerous to be left alive. Sidious got exactly what he wanted. He got rid of Windu, gained the opportunity to justify Order 66 and became the master of potentially the most powerful force user ever lived. Again, not claiming anything, just acknowledging it as a decent theory.

Originally posted by Trocity
I hope no one is trying infer the B team helped in that fight at all.

I am.

Yeah, me too. Fisto managed to fight a little.

Originally posted by Sinious
That wasn't what I was referring to. Obviously he wasn't as weak as he pretended to be at the end.

The theory is that Sidious senses Anakin's arrival and lets Windu hit him in the face as it is the only way he'll lose without getting wounded. So maybe Sidious lost on purpose and pretended to be the victim till he realized Windu wouldn't try to kill him, which wasn't good for Palpatine as he wanted Windu to push Anakin into doing something that will lead him to the dark side with no turning back which is why he attacked Windu with his lightning. He made Windu believe that Sidious was too dangerous to be left alive. Sidious got exactly what he wanted. He got rid of Windu, gained the opportunity to justify Order 66 and became the master of potentially the most powerful force user ever lived. Again, not claiming anything, just acknowledging it as a decent theory.

You don't seem to understand how proof and weights on a scale of proof work... The side i'm on has SIGNIFCANTLY more proof than the scale you're trying to put weight on. I prefer to go with the side with more proof and less conjecture. For everything you said you LITERALLY have ZERO proof to back ANY of that up. The novel NEVER ONCE MENTIONS THIS.... Lucas NEVER ONCE MENTIONS this theory of yours. SIDS.. YODA... MACE.. ANAKIN.. ANYBODY.. NEVER ONCE mentions anything you've just said. You see where that leads? it leads to very shaky almost nothing to stand on for your argument.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
I am.

Ummm okay... That's kinda silly.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Ummm okay... That's kinda silly.

Well it would be silly for someone like you who thinks even Qui-Gon made no contribution to the fight against Maul.

But if you knew anything about combat, you'd know that every second you're mind is focused elsewhere changes the fight.

Not to mention Sidious's main superiority over Windu is his Force Powers. An ability which is more of an advantage from a distance. A distance Sidious didn't get because he had to Blitz those other Jedi, and was then forced to engage Mace in Close Combat from the outset.

Plus don't lecture me on real life fighting of any kinda.. I've forgotten more about MMA or Boxing than you ever knew. Sidious had plenty of time when it was one v one... to create distance or use his powers.. He didn't and there is no proof it would've worked had he done so.

If I'm fighting 4 guys.. and I KO 3 right from the jump... No they didn't take energy or time or diminish my skills in anyway when the fight becomes one v one. We've seen Dooku WHILE fighting Anakin and Kenobi... Replenish his force reserves instantly. Now you're telling me Sids couldn't do the same? That is even to say he drained any what so ever which I find hard to believe. Once the fight was one on one he had plenty of time to have his skills surprise Windu.. HE FAILED to do so. Your excuse for this is.. Ohh he had to kill 3 others before... LOL... That's bordering on retarded.. even for you. Once the fight was one v one... What about the earlier fight diminished he skills that he couldn't fight the same way or show his superiority? Please do tell.

Well clearly your application of that MMA/Boxing Knowledge is very poor if you think the first few seconds of every round are not crucial. And that 3 weak combatants aiding in those seconds won't make a difference.

I'm not making excuses, I'm giving the full facts of the fight. It wasn't a completely fair 1 on 1 from the outset. And Sidious wasn't able to make full use of his Powers against Mace the way he did against Yoda. You can deny those facts all you like. But those are the facts. And those facts most likely explain why the 2nd Most Powerful Jedi managed to achieve something the Most Powerful Jedi could not. Defeating Sidious.

So no proof then only your conjecture. You do realize that there are plenty of references that label Mace is the champion duelist of the order.. even above Yoda. Sure, Yoda is more powerful in the force and wisdom.. but we're just talking Dueling here, and Mace was the head of the order in this regard. I don't even know if he was better than Yoda even if so, as Yoda is still Yoda. What I am saying is it's kinda disingenuous to say Mace is no. 2 when mace has things going for him that Yoda doesn't WHICH COULD EXPLAIN WHY HE WON and NOT because Sids wasted all this energy in 3 seconds killing fodder. How about Vaapad.. How about Shatterpoint.. Things Yoda doesn't have. How about Size and strength... mace was able to hold onto his blade when being hit with lighting for an extended period of time... Yoda wasn't. Those couldn't be the reasons he won and not because of some theory about him wasting all this vital energy killing 3 fodder jedi in 3 seconds flat?

you didn't answer my question.. what about the earlier fights wouldn't allow Sids to prove his superior skill against mace when it was one v one. The ONLY way something would stop him from proving so is if he was hurt or tired from earlier fights. NEITHER is the case here.. You think because I KO 3 guys in 3 seconds that when it gets to one v one.. if I'm superior it won't show and I can't win because I KO'd 3 guys earlier and something.. anything... now means my superior skill is null and void... Please.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Plus don't lecture me on real life fighting of any kinda.. I've forgotten more about MMA or Boxing than you ever knew. Sidious had plenty of time when it was one v one... to create distance or use his powers.. He didn't and there is no proof it would've worked had he done so.

If I'm fighting 4 guys.. and I KO 3 right from the jump... No they didn't take energy or time or diminish my skills in anyway when the fight becomes one v one. We've seen Dooku WHILE fighting Anakin and Kenobi... Replenish his force reserves instantly. Now you're telling me Sids couldn't do the same? That is even to say he drained any what so ever which I find hard to believe. Once the fight was one on one he had plenty of time to have his skills surprise Windu.. HE FAILED to do so. Your excuse for this is.. Ohh he had to kill 3 others before... LOL... That's bordering on retarded.. even for you. Once the fight was one v one... What about the earlier fight diminished he skills that he couldn't fight the same way or show his superiority? Please do tell.

^ This coming from the expert in grammar and spelling himself

Originally posted by carthage
^ This coming from the expert in grammar and spelling himself

Autocorrect changes comma to cama?

Okay I can't spell comma. So what? The whole ... Thing is annoying

Originally posted by WildBantha88
Okay I can't spell comma. So what? The whole ... Thing is annoying

lol happens to the best of buddy, typing on a Phone without going to the shorten variation of words like "Your" "You" is a bit hard, not to mention Autocorrect is a ***** half of the time.

It can be helpful as well, though.

Originally posted by Sinious
Well then thats why Vader couldn't easily defeat Obi-wan in ANH, thats why he lost to his son in ROTJ, thats why everything that happened in the story happened the way it did so that the rebels could win at the end of OT.

I don't get how any of this justify your lowballing comments on Vader's speed.

That's not an argument ANH obiwan was very weak.

And for the precedent quote Yoda give up for stamina purpose.....

Originally posted by ILS
Marco you can't use that, that is Legends canon

Yees he can because that's canon because the magazine only retake already knowed thing that's all !!!