I have 2 points and they contradict each other:
1. I am all for "illegal" immigration as long as the immigrants pay honest taxes while here and their employers employ them honestly.
2. I am against direct income taxes and think it should be abolished.
Of course, in #1, they are not fully illegal immigrants if they pay taxes and are working for honest employers. 🙂 They may be illegal in some ways but that means they would have to be legal in others.
Originally posted by Bardock42
The Democrats are to blame for being pushovers, that never fight for their alleged believes. They are weak, and unable or unwilling to stand up to Republicans. But the fact that nothing was passed, that almost nothing changed is due to Republican actions.
hysterical
Look up Harry Reid.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Independents are a mixed bag. Obviously they can be better, but they can also be worse than any Democrat or Republican.
My ignorance knows no bounds when it comes to the current or up and coming Independents in office. Did you have examples from both angles you mentioned, here?
it seems like the whole country's real mentality is hate whoever the president is. maybe cause i was a teenager in bush years that shaped my perspective. so i thought bush must really suck guess i better be a democrat. now i see obama and it's the same shit. if i was a teenager now i'd probably assume the democrats suck so i better be a republican. and then when they win the office back everyone will most likely hate that guy as well. cause really our empire peaked and is fading and shit's a little ****ed up so the public needs a face to scream at.
I think Bush was a shitty president in a lot of areas and an okay-to-good president in other areas, some of them very surprising.
For instance, up until Obama he was the president with the highest number of minority appointments, surpassing even Clinton and Carter. He was also the president who more than any other (including Obama, somewhat strangely) promoted aid to Africa. In many African countries he's still a very popular figure. He's also possibly culpable for war crimes, but that's another matter...
As for Obama, he's a decent president who was hyped up so immensely on his election that he couldn't do anything but disappoint. He's also facing a retardedly stubborn opposition who's made a mission out of ensuring that they sabotage his political projects even if it means paralyzing the government as a whole.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Oh my! They are NOT the lesser of two evils. The only "lesser of two evils" is an independent.
There are third parties, some of which (like the Green Party) are very attractive, but I don't know if those count as independents.
Originally posted by red g jacks
it seems like the whole country's real mentality is hate whoever the president is. maybe cause i was a teenager in bush years that shaped my perspective. so i thought bush must really suck guess i better be a democrat. now i see obama and it's the same shit. if i was a teenager now i'd probably assume the democrats suck so i better be a republican. and then when they win the office back everyone will most likely hate that guy as well. cause really our empire peaked and is fading and shit's a little ****ed up so the public needs a face to scream at.
You nailed it! 👆 Now all the extremists will start calling you names.
Originally posted by Omega Visionyea but it seems like the bickering will continue like that. even if the republicans put a decent dude in charge people will be pissed off about how the party carried their shit before and start whining about every little thing he does out of spite for the obama hate. i feel like a lot of the obama hate was revenge hate from the bush era. cause yea he did have some flaws but there were a lot of dumb loudmouth mother****ers who just loved to scream **** bush. it's really starting to feel like yankee stadium when the redsox are playing.
I think Bush was a shitty president in a lot of areas and an okay-to-good president in other areas, some of them very surprising.For instance, up until Obama he was the president with the highest number of minority appointments, surpassing even Clinton and Carter. He was also the president who more than any other (including Obama, somewhat strangely) promoted aid to Africa. In many African countries he's still a very popular figure. He's also possibly culpable for war crimes, but that's another matter...
As for Obama, he's a decent president who was hyped up so immensely on his election that he couldn't do anything but disappoint. He's also facing a retardedly stubborn opposition who's made a mission out of ensuring that they sabotage his political projects even if it means paralyzing the government as a whole.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Oh my! They are NOT the lesser of two evils. The only "lesser of two evils" is an independent.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Independents are a mixed bag. Obviously they can be better, but they can also be worse than any Democrat or Republican.
Bardock42, what he's saying is that they are very similar (GOP and Democrat). He groups them as one and independents as another. He views the Independents as the lesser of two evils.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Bardock42, what he's saying is that they are very similar (GOP and Democrat). He groups them as one and independents as another. He views the Independents as the lesser of two evils.
I know that Shakya is grouping Republicans and Democrats as one and Independents as another. I obviously disagree, as I made clear in the post that Shakya replied to.
Independents, like Omega Vision said, is a term that can encompass virtually any POV, the label alone says nothing about the politics of the person (unlike Democrat or Republican, which gives a rough idea). As such they can be horrible neo-nazis, staunch libertarians or very progressive people.
Taking recent examples, and my personal politics, for example, I quite like Bernie Sanders, while I think Joe Liebermann is an *******.
Originally posted by Bardock42
I know that Shakya is grouping Republicans and Democrats as one and Independents as another. I obviously disagree, as I made clear in the post that Shakya replied to.Independents, like Omega Vision said, is a term that can encompass virtually any POV, the label alone says nothing about the politics of the person (unlike Democrat or Republican, which gives a rough idea). As such they can be horrible neo-nazis, staunch libertarians or very progressive people.
Well...uh...
Hmm.
Based on what you're saying, the same thing on varaibility that you say applies to Independents also applies to the GOP and Democrats:
http://classroom.synonym.com/types-democrats-11944.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Factions_in_the_Republican_Party_(United_States)
Originally posted by Bardock42
Taking recent examples, and my personal politics, for example, I quite like Bernie Sanders, while I think Joe Liebermann is an *******.
I'm familiar with the *sshole but not so much Bernie. I'll take a look. Thanks for this.
It's not quite the same. The Republican Party and the Democratic Party both have platforms and leadership. As such it can be politically classed as a subset of all political opinion. We know about where Republicans stand (of course there are outliers and people that assume the mantle of Republican that actually aren't in line with the views of the party as a whole). Independent on the other hand has no such platform or leadership. The label independent is open to absolutely anyone regardless of political view.
Originally posted by Bardock42
It's not quite the same. The Republican Party and the Democratic Party both have platforms and leadership. As such it can be politically classed as a subset of all political opinion. We know about where Republicans stand (of course there are outliers and people that assume the mantle of Republican that actually aren't in line with the views of the party as a whole). Independent on the other hand has no such platform or leadership. The label independent is open to absolutely anyone regardless of political view.
Sense the platforms and leaders of both parties are a big fat lie, it is better to not have parties and have to look at each person individually. That is why an independent is better then both parties.