dragonball z lightspeed
i havent been on here in a while and the first thing i see is people saying goku is ls. i dont think he is ls. relavistic at best. if he was lightspeed there wouldnt be a need for instant transmission.
lets settle this once and for all why is goku light speed where are the consistant feats? why do people think hes ls
If you were traveling across an entire system, by chance, an instant would be more practical than light speed. That said, I'd personally put Goku's (current) best travel speed at relativistic (unless Akira's statement about Whis, Beerus, and Goku can be accurately quantified and scaled down from Whis to Goku to suggest anything higher).
Travel speed? Goku surpasses time itself. Don't forget about IT.
Combat speed? Same.
However, WITHOUT Instant transmission, Goku is still ridiculously faster than light, in both combat, and travel speed. I can re-post the proof I use on here all the time, if I need to.
Basically though, Goku in base form after healing on Namek is 77,000 times faster than light.
Welp, you've forced my hands.
First, we have to calculate the size of Namek. The easiest method to use to do so, is simply clocking Krillin’s trips back and forth from Guru’s place.
At this point in the story Krillin was moving at top speed to get back to Gohan. His exact powerlevel at this point isn’t known, but it’s later stated that both he and Gohan were above 10,000.
Why is this important?
Because we already know that Goku with a base powerlevel of 8,000 could travel at Mach 29 when going full speed; so at the very least we can apply this to Krillin (who truth be told ought to be much faster, but for all intents an purposes, it's fair in this case to lowball the size).
Mach 29 is 9,952.8 m/s or 9.9528 km/s, and with there being 3,600 seconds in an hour this would at the very least mean that Krillin was traveling at somewhere around 35,830 kilometers per hour. We multiply that by 2 (he said it would take a couple of hours) and we get 71,660.
Now from what we’ve seen, Krillin had gone about halfway across the planet, meaning that Nameks circumference should be somewhere around 143,320.xx kilometers (71,660 x2), or 3.5 times larger than the Earths. Making the Diameter somewhere around 45,620 kilometers, or again, 3.5 times larger than the Earth.
I’m paraphrasing information I remember seeing in a blog over at the OBD or somewhere, the numbers are solid, and it’s generally the best guess we’ve got as to the size of Namek.
Nameks circumference on a reliable scale is 70,131.25 km, at that point.
Now, we can calculate the actual speed gauged IN the series. Master Roshi and Krillin traded a series of blows as well as counters, strategy and movement all in one-fifth of a second in Dragon Ball, both with power levels of 80 to 100 according to logic and the Daizenshuu. I was low-balling, by taking the power level of 100, and inputting it into Frieza's power level, the one he used when stomping Vegeta, not his full power of 120 million, but his 0.5% full power of 6 million. However, it's not possible to know how many punches or kicks they threw, so you have to be fair and low-ball the number, so you then are left with making Frieza's hand slower than it actually is, because Roshi and Krillin were moving and doing many things in the fifth of a second. Goku flew across half the distance of Namek, which has been calculated to be 3.5 times bigger than Earth, in less time than it took for Frieza's hand to travel to Vegeta.
So, using the fifth of a second, we can divide it by the difference in 6 million and 100, giving us 60,000 which we divide a fifth by. That gives us the time it would have taken for Frieza's fist to reach Vegeta, which is low-balled to 0.000003, or one 3 millionths of a second. So, we can safely say that Goku flew across half Nameks distance in a 3 millionth of a second. So, with some simple multiplication and division, he flew 70,131.25 km in less than one 3 millionth of a second. Now, to get his simple speed in km/sec, we just multiply both sides by 300,000 to get 21,039,375,000 km/sec. Light is only 297,600 km/sec, making base Namek Goku 70,700 times faster than light.
Sooo... Yep, and Lolyes. 👆
Originally posted by Sacred 117
If you were traveling across an entire system, by chance, an instant would be more practical than light speed. That said, I'd personally put Goku's (current) best travel speed at relativistic (unless Akira's statement about Whis, Beerus, and Goku can be accurately quantified and scaled down from Whis to Goku to suggest anything higher).
thats true but he uses it to get around the earth he wouldnt need to if he was ls and i agree with everything else in this post
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Welp, you've forced my hands.First, we have to calculate the size of Namek. The easiest method to use to do so, is simply clocking Krillin’s trips back and forth from Guru’s place.
At this point in the story Krillin was moving at top speed to get back to Gohan. His exact powerlevel at this point isn’t known, but it’s later stated that both he and Gohan were above 10,000.
Why is this important?
Because we already know that Goku with a base powerlevel of 8,000 could travel at Mach 29 when going full speed; so at the very least we can apply this to Krillin (who truth be told ought to be much faster, but for all intents an purposes, it's fair in this case to lowball the size).
Mach 29 is 9,952.8 m/s or 9.9528 km/s, and with there being 3,600 seconds in an hour this would at the very least mean that Krillin was traveling at somewhere around 35,830 kilometers per hour. We multiply that by 2 (he said it would take a couple of hours) and we get 71,660.
Now from what we’ve seen, Krillin had gone about halfway across the planet, meaning that Nameks circumference should be somewhere around 143,320.xx kilometers (71,660 x2), or 3.5 times larger than the Earths. Making the Diameter somewhere around 45,620 kilometers, or again, 3.5 times larger than the Earth.
I’m paraphrasing information I remember seeing in a blog over at the OBD or somewhere, the numbers are solid, and it’s generally the best guess we’ve got as to the size of Namek.
Nameks circumference on a reliable scale is 70,131.25 km, at that point.
Now, we can calculate the actual speed gauged IN the series. Master Roshi and Krillin traded a series of blows as well as counters, strategy and movement all in one-fifth of a second in Dragon Ball, both with power levels of 80 to 100 according to logic and the Daizenshuu. I was low-balling, by taking the power level of 100, and inputting it into Frieza's power level, the one he used when stomping Vegeta, not his full power of 120 million, but his 0.5% full power of 6 million. However, it's not possible to know how many punches or kicks they threw, so you have to be fair and low-ball the number, so you then are left with making Frieza's hand slower than it actually is, because Roshi and Krillin were moving and doing many things in the fifth of a second. Goku flew across half the distance of Namek, which has been calculated to be 3.5 times bigger than Earth, in less time than it took for Frieza's hand to travel to Vegeta.
So, using the fifth of a second, we can divide it by the difference in 6 million and 100, giving us 60,000 which we divide a fifth by. That gives us the time it would have taken for Frieza's fist to reach Vegeta, which is low-balled to 0.000003, or one 3 millionths of a second. So, we can safely say that Goku flew across half Nameks distance in a 3 millionth of a second. So, with some simple multiplication and division, he flew 70,131.25 km in less than one 3 millionth of a second. Now, to get his simple speed in km/sec, we just multiply both sides by 300,000 to get 21,039,375,000 km/sec. Light is only 297,600 km/sec, making base Namek Goku 70,700 times faster than light.
Sooo... Yep, and Lolyes. 👆
http://www.mangapanda.com/105-3153-8/dragon-ball/chapter-504.html
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This short exchage disproves your ridiculous stance
Originally posted by chasedown
thats true but he uses it to get around the earth he wouldnt need to if he was ls and i agree with everything else in this post
Even from a hypothetical standpoint that reservedly puts Goku at LS, he'd still have to power up to hit that, which would still be less practical than simply teleporting.
Originally posted by juggerman
This short exchage disproves your ridiculous stance
So does this one:
http://www.mangapanda.com/105-2985-3/dragon-ball/chapter-336.html
http://www.mangapanda.com/105-2985-4/dragon-ball/chapter-336.html
Originally posted by juggerman
http://www.mangapanda.com/105-3153-8/dragon-ball/chapter-504.html
http://www.mangapanda.com/105-3153-9/dragon-ball/chapter-504.html
http://www.mangapanda.com/105-3153-10/dragon-ball/chapter-504.html
http://www.mangapanda.com/105-3153-11/dragon-ball/chapter-504.html
http://www.mangapanda.com/105-3153-12/dragon-ball/chapter-504.htmlThis short exchage disproves your ridiculous stance
How? By Buu needing to find Goku and Vegeta because Goku briefly slipped him by moving instantly across the globe, surpassing speed itself?
👆
Originally posted by juggerman
So does this one:http://www.mangapanda.com/105-2985-3/dragon-ball/chapter-336.html
http://www.mangapanda.com/105-2985-4/dragon-ball/chapter-336.html
By what, proving that instant transmission is faster than any of the Z-fighters can register? That's obvious.
Sorry for the big-ish post.
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
The distance Goku traveled, between Frieza's ship and where Frieza was, was half the circumference of the planet; 70,131.25 km, at that point.
Originally posted by BloodRainConsistently drawn three times too.
To start we have the trio moving at Dende creeping speed away from the ship. We can see the summoning area they slowly flew to, which also became the area Frieza fought the gang, is only two of these small islands away. Even in the transformation fight they only hop to two other islands, so at the furthest they're four islands from the ship. Not even a mile away.
Originally posted by BloodRainThe area which Goku has the final battle with Frieza is about six islands from the summon point, so eight islands from the ship at most. Which is important because...
King Kai tells us what Goku is doing, which is going to the ship thats closer to himself.. stating that his own ship is too far away for the SSJ to get to in time, urging Goku to hurry. This tells us two things. First that Frieza's ship cannot be on the opposite side of the planet if Goku's ship is further away, second being that even as a SS1 Goku cannot lightspeed across the planet or he would have instantly been his ship and left the planet at that point.
+Goku states they're not far from. Would not say so if they were at the furthest point possible.
+At full speed it takes him an hour to cover gaps on the planet. Not half or quarter of the planet, just a gap. Knowing this, just how far do you think they could have gotten before Goku got up, which Vegeta says will take 40-50 mins? This tells us that even if they were flying away at max speed for the entire time, which ignores the whole wishing and fighting, they still wouldn't have reached the opposite side.
+The trio snuck away using minimum ki to not get detected. You think a minimum ki Dende could cover the entire planet in a few minutes when a max ki Krillen takes an hour to cover a fraction of the planet?
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Goku flew across half the distance of Namek in less time than it took for Frieza's hand to travel to Vegeta.That gives us the time it would have taken for Frieza's fist to reach Vegeta, which is low-balled to 0.000003s.
Originally posted by BloodRainThe feat doesn't happen. As we can see Frieza is standing over Vegeta in one scene, and in the next with him he's only over Vegeta with his arm cocked back as Goku appears.