Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Uh, but it doesn't matter if Goku is moving instantaneously, now does it?
Actually it does. Look at how much talking Goku and Vegeta do while Buu is actively flying to reach them. If he were a light speedster as you are claiming a MASSIVELY weaker character is, then he would have reached them nigh instantly. No talking time
Originally posted by BloodRain
Sorry for the big-ish post.+Goku states they're not far from. Would not say so if they were at the furthest point possible.
+At full speed it takes him an hour to cover gaps on the planet. Not half or quarter of the planet, just a gap. Knowing this, just how far do you think they could have gotten before Goku got up, which Vegeta says will take 40-50 mins? This tells us that even if they were flying away at max speed for the entire time, which ignores the whole wishing and fighting, they still wouldn't have reached the opposite side.
+The trio snuck away using minimum ki to not get detected. You think a [b]minimum ki Dende
could cover the entire planet in a few minutes when a max ki Krillen takes an hour to cover a fraction of the planet? [/B]
1. I've used this a million times already, but again, if someone asked you to walk a kilometer, you'd think that was pretty far/long, right? Well, if the same person had you walk one meter, you'd think it wasn't long/far at all, right? Goku has flown 1 million kilometers before, when he was astronomically weaker/slower and has that much less stamina. I'd think 140-some thousand miles wouldn't be THAT far for him either, considering he did ten times that when he was ridiculously weaker.
2. Who, Goku? When did it take him, "an hour", to cross a gap on Namek? In fact, he and Frieza flew all over the planet during their fight, considering all the planet sized explosions they threw around, ran from, etc.
3. You're acting like the battle didn't progress to different areas. When Piccolo showed up, the spaceship was nowhere in sight. Let alone how much they moved after that. Again, the scans you're bringing up are all during points that don't matter, as the characters moved while fighting after those points.
Originally posted by BloodRain
It would if Goku was only on the opposite side of the planet when you believe he has the speed to circle the planet 550,000 times a second, much less Buuhan.
Yes, it would, considering Buuhan still lost track of him for a brief instant. He still had to do more than Goku and Vegeta during that short period. They only spoke a bit, and Buu was there.
Originally posted by juggerman
Actually it does. Look at how much talking Goku and Vegeta do while Buu is actively flying to reach them. If he were a light speedster as you are claiming a MASSIVELY weaker character is, then he would have reached them nigh instantly. No talking time
You're forgetting that Goku and Vegeta are also somewhere around that fast.
It's not unbelievable that they could talk for a tiny bit while Buu sat around searching for Goku's ki, and then took off.
That just means it took a few seconds for Buu to find him, since he DID just up and vanish.
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
It would if he did so fast enough to slip past the senses of someone almost equal to him in power. Like he did. 👆
They weren't surprised he was able to "slip past the senses" They are clearly surprised he was able to travel that distance hence the comment about the distance and no comment about not being able to follow the movements.
Also no one there was "almost equal to his power" .
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
You're forgetting that Goku and Vegeta are also somewhere around that fast.It's not unbelievable that they could talk for a tiny bit while Buu sat around searching for Goku's ki, and then took off.
That just means it took a few seconds for Buu to find him, since he DID just up and vanish.
I'm not forgetting anything. You clearly see in the scan Buu found their ki and was closing in yet they still had time to talk for a bit before he arrived. If Buu were even close to lightspeed there would have been zero time for that. It's not like they were running from him or anything. They stayed in the same spot yet it clearly took Buu a little while to get there.
I'll even break it down for you since I'm such a nice guy 😎
http://www.mangapanda.com/105-3153-...hapter-504.html
On this page we see Buu flying and say "Another strong person's shown up" meaning he has a lock on Goku and Vegeta's ki and location. Meaning he is now en route to them.
Then we see Goku still has enough time to ask Vegeta to fuse and according to the "...." Vegeta has a moment to pause before tell Goku he hates him.
Buu is still en route
http://www.mangapanda.com/105-3153-10/dragon-ball/chapter-504.html
Vegeta then goes on a long rant about how Goku was an ******* cuz he held back instead of ragestomping him with SSJ3.
According to the "...." we see Goku has a moment to pause before retorting. Vegeta is still being a turd.
Buu is still en route
Then Goku gets pissed and yells at Vegeta and verbally lays the smackdown on him. Vegeta is taken aback.
Buu is still en route
http://www.mangapanda.com/105-3153-11/dragon-ball/chapter-504.html
Buu now has a visual.
Goku yells and the two "...." means Vegeta now has two moments to pause.
Vegeta finally agrees and askes for the earring. Goku tosses it. Vegeta struggles to put it on
How the holy hell can anyone see "lightspeed" anywhere here??
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
1. I've used this a million times already, but again, if someone asked you to walk a kilometer, you'd think that was pretty far/long, right? Well, if the same person had you walk one meter, you'd think it wasn't long/far at all, right? Goku has flown 1 million kilometers before, when he was astronomically weaker/slower and has that much less stamina. I'd think 140-some thousand miles wouldn't be THAT far for him either, considering he did ten times that when he was ridiculously weaker.
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
2. Who, Goku? When did it take him, "an hour", to cross a gap on Namek? In fact, he and Frieza flew all over the planet during their fight, considering all the planet sized explosions they threw around, ran from, etc.
Fact 1: Krillen at max speed takes an hour or two to go from A to C.
Fact 2: Goku's recovery took 40-50 minuites.
Your assumption: That in under an hour Krillen went from A to Z.
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
3. You're acting like the battle didn't progress to different areas. When Piccolo showed up, the spaceship was nowhere in sight. Let alone how much they moved after that. Again, the scans you're bringing up are all during points that don't matter, as the characters moved while fighting after those points.
And just because you missed them:
+The trio snuck away using minimum ki to not get detected. You think a minimum ki Dende could cover the entire planet in a few minutes when a max ki Krillen takes an hour to cover a fraction of the planet?
+The area which Goku has the final battle with Frieza is about six islands from the summon point, so eight islands from the ship at most. Which is important because King Kai tells us what Goku is doing, which is going to the ship thats closer to himself.. stating that his own ship is too far away for the SSJ to get to in time, urging Goku to hurry. This tells us two things. First that Frieza's ship cannot be on the opposite side of the planet if Goku's ship is further away, second being that even as a SS1 Goku cannot lightspeed across the planet or he would have instantly been his ship and left the planet at that point.
+"The feat doesn't happen. As we can see Frieza is standing over Vegeta in one scene, and in the next with him he's only over Vegeta with his arm cocked back as Goku appears."
Originally posted by juggerman
Buu has a MUCH higher PL than Goku meaning he is faster than Goku
He is faster than they can see. It's not like he was moving at his highest of speeds there unless stated otherwise. Do you honestly believe black hair Goku and Vegeta could've detected him if he were moving at his best?
Anyways, yes, DBZ characters early on were light speed characters and they have the fts proving this.
Originally posted by juggerman
I'll even break it down for you since I'm such a nice guy 😎http://www.mangapanda.com/105-3153-...hapter-504.html
On this page we see Buu flying and say "Another strong person's shown up" meaning he has a lock on Goku and Vegeta's ki and location. Meaning he is now en route to them.
Then we see Goku still has enough time to ask Vegeta to fuse and according to the "...." Vegeta has a moment to pause before tell Goku he hates him.
Buu is still en route
http://www.mangapanda.com/105-3153-10/dragon-ball/chapter-504.html
Vegeta then goes on a long rant about how Goku was an ******* cuz he held back instead of ragestomping him with SSJ3.
According to the "...." we see Goku has a moment to pause before retorting. Vegeta is still being a turd.
Buu is still en route
Then Goku gets pissed and yells at Vegeta and verbally lays the smackdown on him. Vegeta is taken aback.
Buu is still en route
http://www.mangapanda.com/105-3153-11/dragon-ball/chapter-504.html
Buu now has a visual.
Goku yells and the two "...." means Vegeta now has two moments to pause.
Vegeta finally agrees and askes for the earring. Goku tosses it. Vegeta struggles to put it on
How the holy hell can anyone see "lightspeed" anywhere here??
You're wrong though. Buu at that stage can move faster than Goku and Vegeta could detect but they were able to see him. Let's be real here, nothing during that scene is proof that he was even attempting to go his tops.
Originally posted by carver9
You're wrong though. Buu at that stage can move faster than Goku and Vegeta could detect but they were able to see him. Let's be real here, nothing during that scene is proof that he was even attempting to go his tops.
He didn't need to go his tops. He was clearly trying to reach them quickly so there is no reason he wouldn't go atleast close to LS especially since characters FATHOMS weaker and slower were "casual lightspeedsters"
Originally posted by carver9
He is faster than they can see. It's not like he was moving at his highest of speeds there unless stated otherwise. Do you honestly believe black hair Goku and Vegeta could've detected him if he were moving at his best?
His top speed isn't needed. If he wanted to reach them, and he were capable of going far beyond LS as you believe, then he wouldn't have even needed to go LS to reach them nigh instantly. He didn't need to cross galaxies here. At most he needed to go halfway around a planet.
Going half the speed of light would have gotten him there before they could have finished a word. A third the speed of light even. So basically you are saying that Goku is a "casual lightspeedster" but Buuhan, who is way way way way way way way stronger and faster can't even "casually" make it around a planet in a few seconds? And to be completely fair he wasn't flying casually either. He was on a mission.
Originally posted by carver9
Anyways, yes, DBZ characters early on were light speed characters and they have the fts proving this.
Nope
Re: dragonball z lightspeed
Originally posted by chasedown
i havent been on here in a while and the first thing i see is people saying goku is ls. i dont think he is ls. relavistic at best. if he was lightspeed there wouldnt be a need for instant transmission.lets settle this once and for all why is goku light speed where are the consistant feats? why do people think hes ls
Instant transmission is faster then light speed.
Light speed is not instant.
Originally posted by juggerman
I'll even break it down for you since I'm such a nice guy 😎http://www.mangapanda.com/105-3153-...hapter-504.html
On this page we see Buu flying and say "Another strong person's shown up" meaning he has a lock on Goku and Vegeta's ki and location. Meaning he is now en route to them.
Then we see Goku still has enough time to ask Vegeta to fuse and according to the "...." Vegeta has a moment to pause before tell Goku he hates him.
Buu is still en route
http://www.mangapanda.com/105-3153-10/dragon-ball/chapter-504.html
Vegeta then goes on a long rant about how Goku was an ******* cuz he held back instead of ragestomping him with SSJ3.
According to the "...." we see Goku has a moment to pause before retorting. Vegeta is still being a turd.
Buu is still en route
Then Goku gets pissed and yells at Vegeta and verbally lays the smackdown on him. Vegeta is taken aback.
Buu is still en route
http://www.mangapanda.com/105-3153-11/dragon-ball/chapter-504.html
Buu now has a visual.
Goku yells and the two "...." means Vegeta now has two moments to pause.
Vegeta finally agrees and askes for the earring. Goku tosses it. Vegeta struggles to put it on
How the holy hell can anyone see "lightspeed" anywhere here??
This is the stupidest argument I've ever heard made on here. You're literally using the same junk that Yungz does, lol.
You're LITERALLY arguing about the perspective shown from the series. You might as well argue that Namek actually took a few hours to blow up, because of how long it took in the anime.
The way they're TALKING here, you wouldn't think they're moving almost a million times faster than light, would you?
Your entire argument is null and void, because Buu found Goku and Vegeta by their ki, and was there three pages later. This entire argument you're presenting is disproven by the fact that EVERY fictional character EVER that has gone FTL, can talk while doing so. This makes no sense, because sound is not even comparable to light in terms of speed, meaning that no one should be able to, but it's a cartoon for gods sake. Chalk it up as PIS if you want, but they do it, so there's no denying the feat.
Originally posted by carver9
He is faster than they can see. It's not like he was moving at his highest of speeds there unless stated otherwise. Do you honestly believe black hair Goku and Vegeta could've detected him if he were moving at his best?Anyways, yes, DBZ characters early on were light speed characters and they have the fts proving this.
^ This too.
