Originally posted by Bentley
They have always been that week when their ki isn't protecting them, people just have unrealistic fanboyish expectations towards their base durability awesr#GokuisnoSuperman
The focal point of this movie is about
Spoiler:
Whis training Goku, especially regarding letting his guard down and being "naive"; indeed, no matter how strong you are, if you let your guard down you can still be hit and damaged. It's exactly what happnes with Goku vs Golden Freeza: despite Freeza godly power, it seems that Goku (with his Ssj + Ssj God transformation) still pummels him, and, at the end of the fight, with Freeza outclassed, Goku lets his guard down and Sorbet, it seems with that particular-magic ring he has, pierces a hole in Goku's heart with an energy beam. That would have never happened if Goku didn't let his guard down.
Spoiler:, and thus a battle focused
Saiyan who surpassed God, and thus he is basically Beerus tier, a guy who can casually destroy stars, who is FTL in speed and reaction
Spoiler:would be hard for everyone to put down (obviously I'm referring to comparable type of characters, such as superheroes like Superman (bar his OP versions, such as Silver Age vs SoS just to say one), and not abstract beings or omnipotents, clearly).
Ssj + God ki Goku
Finally, a picture made by a fan, which could anyway be extremely similar to what Goku now looks like:
Aside from these wacky blue transformations, and the fact the Freeza was still never really a legitimate threat to the Saiyans, my biggest gripe with the film is the dues ex time travel ability. I understand there were extenuating circumstances behind it, but Goku lost. He idiotically let his guard down despite Whis' warning, and he(along with the earth) ultimately paid the price for his foolishness.
...But then Whis goes all faux-Jesus on us and basically says: "Fret not thyself because of evildoers, neither be thou envious against the workers of iniquity. For they shall soon be cut down like the grass, and wither as the green herb!!! *taptap*", and then time is rewound just enough to restore the earth and allow Goku to have a 'do-over-Kamehameha'. That is just stupid.
Originally posted by Galan007
Aside from these wacky blue transformations, and the fact the Freeza was still never really a legitimate threat to the Saiyans,
He does kill them, so he's a legitimate threat. Frieza went down because of his overblown pride, which is what Frieza does. We can't b_tch because it's out of character for him to train and then look at him sucking at it and complain about that 😛
Bottomline, the plot is awesome and Vegeta will always suck 💃
Originally posted by Galan007
Aside from these wacky blue transformations, and the fact the Freeza was still never really a legitimate threat to the Saiyans, my biggest gripe with the film is the dues ex time travel ability. I understand there were extenuating circumstances behind it, but Goku lost. He idiotically let his guard down despite Whis' warning, and he(along with the earth) ultimately paid the price for his foolishness....But then Whis goes all faux-Jesus on us and basically says: "Fret not thyself because of evildoers, neither be thou envious against the workers of iniquity. For they shall soon be cut down like the grass, and wither as the green herb!!! [b]*taptap*
", and then time is rewound just enough to restore the earth and allow Goku to have a 'do-over-Kamehameha'. That is just stupid. [/B]
I think we must see this movie as a "training session" for Goku and Vegeta: indeed, Whis (and also Beerus) knew about Freeza, but still let him free to act because he wanted to teach Goku and Vegeta a lesson:
- For Vegeta, the lesson is to be less arrogant and to learn to fight along with Goku.
- For Goku is to be less "naive", overconfident, and even merciful (that's basically what Whis tells him after the Earth is gone).
I mean, why Whis would even care to bring back a little, insignificant planet like the Earth? Surely he is doing all of that because he is preparing something big for the two saiyans, and Freeza was just a "test".
Also, as far as I can tell, despite Vegeta's moment of glory during the fight, the movie still proves how much Goku is still superior to him, and not only in power.
Finally, the last thing I have to say that by now is stupid that Goku can't breathe in space: I mean, it was perfect at the beginning of the series, it was good even when he was a "normal" Ssj, Ssj2 or Ssj3 but now, damn, now he is basically a "God", he is in a higher sphere (probably also the highest sphere of this universe) and could replace easily Beerus power-wise and job-wise (hell, Whis even asked him to become the God of destruction in BoG, and Goku was even weaker than now), so for a guy who is a God and could travel the universe destroying things, it's ridicolous not to be able to "breathe" in space.
Since AT is by this time making Goku so freakin' OP, he should remove what it's actually his only, true weakness.
PS: I personally think the new hair colour is fantastic. 😄
Originally posted by AuraAngel
Is it really a deus ex machina it is an established ability at the start of the movie? More of a Chekov's gun than anything else. And yeah the good guys get a do over but to be fair the entire film is a do over for the villain.
It's a literal deus ex machina. And the way it plays out is absolutely horrible.
Dues ex machina refers to the machine (typically a crane) that a god uses to descend to help the hero although in this case it's film projector (or whatever the use now days) rather than a crane but I digress.
The problem isn't that there is a deus ex machina, but the fact that it's so instrumental in the conclusion. Even worse is what the power is and does. It's a reset button which, unless the plot revolves around it, is such a hamfisted plot device.