It's obvious that the more powerful you are the higher your power output is. Goku was just a couple of thousand over Vegeta and he overpowered Vegeta planet buster. Gohan wasn't significantly over Cell and be over powered Cell solar system buster. Someone that is significantly more powerful than these people should be able to do far more destruction. This is obvious. Galaxy busting shouldn't even be questionable right now.
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
There was no kiai.He simply pushed downward, and the planet blew up.
Kind of like how Bills blows up planets, just by tapping them.
I don't think Carver's really digging here. I don't see it as a strength feat, because you can't destroy a planet by pushing downward on the surface a couple of feet, no matter how strong you are, but there was definitely no kiai.
There was a CLEAR blast that went down into the earth's core. Didn't you see the light from the energy?
Originally posted by Galan007
👆I just wish there was a more accurate way to quantify SSJ4 Gogeta. However, in the original(and most canon) Japanese dub, Omega Shenron stated that he was at least 10x> before... And Goku(who can very accurately sense ki) didn't disagree:
This is important because prior to absorbing the Dragon Balls, Syn Shenron was already ~/> SSJ4 Goku. So using that figure, in conjunction with the multipliers I've mentioned before, it means Omega Shenron was at least [b]40,000x>
SSJ3 Z Goku(4,000*10.)As for SSJ4 Gogeta: even if we only assume he was 2x> Omega Shenron, it still means he was 80,000x> SSJ3 Z Goku(40,000*2.) However, I'd say Gogeta stomped Omega just as easily as Omega stomped SSJ4 Goku/Vegeta(probably even easier.) So if we assume the gap between SSJ4 Gogeta and Omega was proportional to the gap between Omega and SSJ4 Goku(ie. ~10x), it means that Gogeta would have been ~400,000x> SSJ3 Z Goku(40,000*10.)
Most people won't accept such absurd levels/multipliers(admittedly, it's hard for even me to fathom/stomach)... But it is what it is. /shrug
Suffice to say: on paper, I doubt anything in the DBS-era will ever approach the level of peak SSJ4 Goku/Vegeta... Much less Omega Shenron... And nevermind SSJ4 Gogeta. They're just that retardedly powerful, unfortunately. 😘 [/B]
I hope Dragonball never reaches this level of stupid again. In fact I want them to go the opposite route and just forget about transformations.
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
There was no kiai.He simply pushed downward, and the planet blew up.
Kind of like how Bills blows up planets, just by tapping them.
I don't think Carver's really digging here. I don't see it as a strength feat, because you can't destroy a planet by pushing downward on the surface a couple of feet, no matter how strong you are, but there was definitely no kiai.
Originally posted by carver9Kiai's are INVISIBLE, you plebs.
I didn't see a blast. Maybe you all need to relook at the scene.
Here's ANOTHER example:
That is logically what Freeza released from his hand when he pushed downward. That's why the camera follows an invisible type of energy all the way down to Earth's core before the planet becomes unstable and blows up.
Again: whatever attack Freeza used was invisible, required NO charge time, and f*cked up the Earth's core(which is why the planet wasn't destroyed instantly.) A kiai is the ONLY thing that makes sense.
Originally posted by Galan007
Kiai's are INVISIBLE, you plebs.Here's ANOTHER example:
That is logically what Freeza released from his hand when he pushed downward. That's why the camera follows an invisible type of energy all the way down to Earth's core before the planet becomes unstable and blows up.
Again: whatever attack Freeza used was invisible, required NO charge time, and f*cked up the Earth's core(which is why the planet wasn't destroyed instantly.) A kiai is the ONLY thing that makes sense.
We're aware that kiai's are invisible. I am, at least. And re-watching the scene, I agree with you, that it was most likely a kiai that was used.
Here's the link: https://youtu.be/L4U1SWmqWoc?t=5040
But shouldn't a kiai also count as a feat of strength? I mean, if the Z-fighter uses a kiai, while arm-wrestling, to push their hand down, then they could amplify their physical strength to a huge degree, right? Similarly to how Conner Kent uses his tactile telekineses to feign the illusion of him having super strength.
And with a casual, effortless, planet busting kiai, I'd say Frieza could beat Superman in an arm wrestle.. 😛
Originally posted by Galan007
A kiai is an invisible blunt-force shockwave that a character can emit like they would a ki blast... It doesn't amplify physical strength.
But it is still force. And the characters can emit kiai's from anywhere on their body, including all around their bodies at the same time. Meaning that they could shoot one in the opposite direction of something they're pushing, to force their body to move in the direction they want it to.
Really, it would be a lot like Conner Kent's tactile telekinesis.
I'm not saying it would amp their physical strength. They can do that with ki already. They simply don't very often need to, as they've never needed to pull a planet out of orbit in DBZ, lol.
They've been shaking the planet though just from powering up, since the Saiyan saga.
SSJG is achieved by a ritual, which slightly alters the host's body. When the ritual has timed-out, the Saiyan reverts back to their normal form/appearance.
BSSJG is achieved after the Saiyan has absorbed the God-power into their person. It allows the Saiyan to access the full spectrum of God-power any time they want, w/o having to undergo the SSJG ritual. It doesn't alter their body(much) because the power is part of them.
Originally posted by bbrem123By all implications thus far, BSSJG=SSJG. Goku's line in the film is indicative of such:
ah makes perfect sense. Thanks 👆I was starting to think the original SSG was superior. Just because goku still reached that form after it had warn off and has never been able to get back to it (consciously). Also to how he handled Beerus's final attack. Suprised even Beerus.
Context: after Goku becomes BSSJG
Freeza: "So what is this? A Super Saiyan with blue hair dye?"
Goku: "It's a little more complicated than that. You don't have the patience for the full story, so lets say I got a taste of something called 'Super Saiyan God', and now I've learned to tap into that power on my own."
The reason BSSJG>SSJG is because:
a.) BSSJG doesn't have a time-limit.
b.) Goku has been training with Whis since the events of BoG--his power has undoubtedly increased to some extent as a result.