Originally posted by juggermanThat was in the anime. In the manga he was using 3% power initially, which makes sense when you crunch the numbers.
I was under the impression he used only 1%. Care to share?
100% Freeza's PL=120m. 1% of 120m=1.2m. A PL of 1.2m would have put Freeza around the same level as his 2nd form(which was stated to "surpass a million"😉, and even weaker than his 3rd form. Obviously he's not going to take a decrease in power upon transforming, as that would defeat the purpose of transformation all together.
Conversely, 3% of 120m=3.6m. A PL of 3.6m not only exceeded that of his other transformations by a large margin, but it also put him decisively above all of the Z Fighters(until a zenkai'd Goku entered the fray, of course.)
Makes sense. But, iirc, Goku was about even with Frieza at first but once Frieza powered up to 50% Goku couldn't even match him with Kaioken times 20.
So if Frieza was matching him at 3% then Goku should have been able to out shine Frieza at 50% if he powered up to twenty times stronger.
If Goku was pretty even with 3% than his Kaioken boost should have put him at Frieza's 60% level
That's why 1% always made sense to me but maybe I overlooked some things
Originally posted by juggermanRemember, after he started taking the fight seriously, 3% Freeza was able to match base Goku for a bit using no hands. Granted, Goku got in a few hits--but Freeza still wasn't using any hands(#craycray.) This suggests that Freeza was definitely more powerful.
Makes sense. But, iirc, Goku was about even with Frieza at first
That said, Freeza didn't like the fact that Goku's power was relatively close to his own, so he began using 50% power. At this point he just wanted to spite-stomp that damn dirty ape.
Originally posted by juggermanAfter Freeza began using 50% power, Goku began using KKx10--which Freeza utterly stomped. Once Goku realized that his power was still nothing, he went for broke with the KKx20. This put him on par with Freeza for the few brief moments he was able to sustain it... Which fits perfectly with the power levels listed in the Daizenshuu:
but once Frieza powered up to 50% Goku couldn't even match him with Kaioken times 20.
Originally posted by juggermanKKx20 Goku and 50% Freeza had the same PL. That's why Goku's KKx20 Kamehameha was able to hurt Freeza. However, Goku could only sustain the KKx20 for like 3 pages before he was completely burned out. Prior to that, he was just using KKx10.
So if Frieza was matching him at 3% then Goku should have been able to out shine Frieza at 50% if he powered up to twenty times stronger.
Originally posted by juggermanSee above.
If Goku was pretty even with 3% than his Kaioken boost should have put him at Frieza's 60% levelThat's why 1% always made sense to me but maybe I overlooked some things
Don't know if anyone posted this but here is the first trailer of the movie.
Originally posted by Galan007
Remember, after he started taking the fight seriously, 3% Freeza was able to match base Goku for a bit using no hands. Granted, Goku got in a few hits--but Freeza still wasn't using any hands(#craycray.) This suggests that Freeza was definitely more powerful.That said, Freeza didn't like the fact that Goku's power was relatively close to his own, so he began using 50% power. At this point he just wanted to spite-stomp that damn dirty ape.
After Freeza began using 50% power, Goku began using KKx10--which Freeza utterly stomped. Once Goku realized that his power was still nothing, he went for broke with the KKx20. This put him on par with Freeza for the few brief moments he was able to sustain it... Which fits perfectly with the power levels listed in the Daizenshuu:
Base Goku=3m
Base Goku(KKx10)=30m
Base Goku(KKx20)=60m
Freeza(50%)=60mKKx20 Goku and 50% Freeza had the same PL. That's why Goku's KKx20 Kamehameha was able to hurt Freeza. However, Goku could only sustain the KKx20 for like 3 pages before he was completely burned out. Prior to that, he was just using KKx10.
See above.
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Originally posted by carver9Yeah, it was posted on the last page. Thanks though.
Don't know if anyone posted this but here is the first trailer of the movie.
Originally posted by QuincyAccording to the official Jap promo-site, Goku and Vegeta will venture off to fight Freeza, while the rest of the B(and C)-list Z Fighters stay on earth to fend off Freeza's army... So if I had to guess, I'd say that is why we see Roshi charging a Kamehameha in the trailer--he's about to layeth the smacketh downeth on some random foot soldiers. Frankly, that got me more stoked than anything. droolio
Yo Tien and Roshi are gonna throw down in this?
Sadly, though, Gohan appears to have been demoted to one of said a B-listers. RIP. 🙁
Originally posted by juggermanNo worries. 👆
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Gohan's character design in RoF:
The February 2015 issue of Shueisha's V Jump magazine is revealing on Saturday the character design for Son Gohan in the upcoming Dragon Ball Z: Fukkatsu no F. The magazine lists that Gohan's normal fighting clothes are nowhere to be seen, and instead, he will fight in a green athletic suit. The magazine also makes a note next to Gohan's normal attire, saying, "Since Beerus arrived, it appears Gohan's fashion has calmed down a bit! Maybe he quit being Stupid... I mean, Great Saiyaman?"
The thing we should take away from that image: Mystic Gohan(from BoG) is also depicted... Gives me a shred of hope that Akira hasn't totally neglected his character. 👆
A new base form hairstyle can at least help distinguish him a little more easily from his Ultimate/Mystic Gohan state. Between Wrath of the Dragon and Battle of Gods, it seems like more of a transformation (though I get the feeling Toriyama keeps forgetting about it or something since I remember trailers of BoG having Gohan turn SSJ where he was simply powering up to his ultimate state in the actual movie. Won't be surprised if they do the same thing with that scene in the RoF trailer).
Krillin character-sketch revealed:
The combined fifth and sixth issue of 2015 of Shueisha's Weekly Shonen Jump magazine is revealing on January 5 the character design for Krillin in the upcoming Dragon Ball Z: Fukkatsu no F (Dragon Ball Z: The F in Fukkatsu, or 'resurrection'😉 film.The magazine lists that Krillin has "surprisingly" become a police officer, and asks, "What could have happened after the last film!?" The magazine also notes that Krillin has returned to being bald, as opposed to his spiky hair from the previous film.
Originally posted by BloodRawEngine
A new base form hairstyle can at least help distinguish him a little more easily from his Ultimate/Mystic Gohan state.
Originally posted by Galan007
That was in the anime. In the manga he was using 3% power initially, which makes sense when you crunch the numbers.100% Freeza's PL=120m. 1% of 120m=1.2m. A PL of 1.2m would have put Freeza around the same level as his 2nd form(which was stated to "surpass a million"😉, and even weaker than his 3rd form. Obviously he's not going to take a decrease in power upon transforming, as that would defeat the purpose of transformation all together.
Conversely, 3% of 120m=3.6m. A PL of 3.6m not only exceeded that of his other transformations by a large margin, but it also put him decisively above all of the Z Fighters(until a zenkai'd Goku entered the fray, of course.)
Hm, now I thought Frieza was using 5% full power on base Goku before he used 50%. I remember, this could be anime only but I still remember it, that Yamcha said at that point that Goku could double his power. King Kai said something like, "He already did! He's been using that Kaioken the entire time!". I just thought it made sense, because it showed that Goku got used to Kaioken at that point, which is why he was able to go Kaioken X20.
I could possibly be wrong, but it's not really in Toriyama's nature to complicate things so much, by making a character use 3.2% of his power. It's just a weirdly specific number, ya know?