Dragon Ball Z: Revival of "F"

Originally posted by Galan007
Dunno where carver heard that Freeza kills Beerus, but no reputable source I've come across alludes to anything of the sort.

Well, we don't yet know how Freeza was able to train. Perhaps Sorbet and Tagoma's wish will be retroactive, and make it so that Freeza retained his body the entire time he's been dead(this would mean he has been training for like 20 years)..? Perhaps they also ask Shenron to retroactively conceal Freeza's presence from the universe during the time he trained? Who knows? But yeah, if Freeza inextricably kept his body after he died, then it throws years-worth of previously established manga canon right out the window.

Unless we assume that the training was mostly to amp his forms, with his base only slightly improving in comparison?

Eh, I guess that would be the logical assumption to go by now, so not necessarily a kind of retcon I was making it out to be then.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Unless we assume that the training was mostly to amp his forms, with his base only slightly improving in comparison?

Though guys who have been training since, like Tien and Krillen, how strong have they become compared to Freeza (manga versions)?

Excluding Piccolo due to massive powerup, not training.

Akira himself stated that Krillin is the most powerful human:

Toriyama: "Kuririn was originally supposed to be just a minor role, so to have him become Goku’s best friend in the blink of an eye…"

Koyama: "Well, he is the strongest Earthling male."

Toriyama: "You’re right, he is the strongest among the Earthlings. But in spite of that, he tends to end up in a bad way, so I thought, “once in a while, I have to let him be happy,” and had him get married. (laughs)"
Source

That said, Krillin was at his most powerful during the Cell Games, which took place 5 years after the Freeza saga--he stopped training after that. How much more powerful did he become? Well for a point of reference: even Goku, who spent his entire life(and afterlife) training, still possessed a base PL <Freeza/120m as of BoG(post-Buu saga.) This means his base PL hadn't even increased by 40x between the Freeza and Buu sagas(which were nearly 20 years apart, mind you.)

So even if we give Krillin the asinine benefit of the doubt, and pretend that he somehow increased his PL by 40x in a 5 year span of time(which is an absolutely unprecedented increase for a human), it still only gives him a PL of 3,000,000 during the Cell Games. So even highballing tremendously only puts Krillin around 3rd form Freeza's level--maybe a little more powerful.

My personal opinion: he was in the high hundreds of thousands--maybe a million.

Is there a way to scale it in the manga without BoG as a reference?

Because if the manga can tell us that Krillin was still weaker than Freeza by the Buu saga, then the scaling in BoG (Goku vs Freeza) be without question.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Is there a way to scale it in the manga without BoG as a reference?

Originally posted by Galan007
Well, after his initial God amp/aura timed out, Goku needed to access additional power while fighting Beerus--but he just powered up to a SSJ1. Toriyama also stated that Goku will probably only use his base and SSJ1 forms in the future.

So yeah, if we see that original God form again, I'll be surprised.

Yeah, Toriyama claimed SSJ2-3 is a thing of the past.

Even if they "should" give an amp, since SSJ1 does.

Aesthetically, I always preferred SSJ1 anyways, but there's not really any good reason not to power up further. Guess it's just one of those things, like Space Voltron having a time limit, and then gradually not for no reason, with the limit never being mentioned again.

Originally posted by Galan007
Not really. Krillin didn't do jack shit after the Freeza saga.

Android 18 begs to differ.

I think he meant fighting-wise, though yeah. Failing to use Bulma's device to shut down the androids because of a crush on some bionic lady I guess is something that happened too.

Can't wait for this movie.

Theories on what the green liquid is that Frieza is emerging from in this screencap?

Per the English dub on the trailer, Frieza has another form/transformation besides his final form we are used too. Does anyone have any pics of this?

Originally posted by john allerdyce
Theories on what the green liquid is that Frieza is emerging from in this screencap?

Originally posted by carver9
Per the English dub on the trailer, Frieza has another form/transformation besides his final form we are used too. Does anyone have any pics of this?

Originally posted by BloodRain
Unless we assume that the training was mostly to amp his forms, with his base only slightly improving in comparison?

Thought 'ki' couldn't hurt God beings? Thought it took another God to hurt a god.

a.) That was never stated.
b.) Vegeta drawing blood from Beerus says otherwise.

Originally posted by Galan007
Based on the recent info which alludes to Freeza gaining his huge boost in power by training(posted on the last page), I'm going to go with the boring answer of: "Freeza is emerging from a regeneration tank after another hard day of training."

No official pics of this alleged transformation have been leaked yet--and my guess is that none will until the film itself is released.

Looking at the lines going 'up' off of his ft, appears to be some type of gravity chamber as well. Think he did the same type k training Goku did by increasing the gravity. Could be looking too far into the pic.

That pic you posted of Frieza would be an amazing transformation. Too much like Cooler though. We need something different...badass...humongous Frieza.

Originally posted by Galan007
a.) That was never stated.
b.) Vegeta drawing blood from Beerus says otherwise.

Gotcha.

Gracity is a good idea, but in that case both feet would have that effect. Seems like its the animation of his foot stomping down.

Originally posted by carver9
Gotcha.