Dragon Ball Z: Revival of "F"

Started by Galan00740 pages

Originally posted by carver9
Looking at the lines going 'up' off of his ft, appears to be some type of gravity chamber as well. Think he did the same type k training Goku did by increasing the gravity. Could be looking too far into the pic.

That pic you posted of Frieza would be an amazing transformation. Too much like Cooler though. We need something different...badass...humongous Frieza.

Good observation... It does look similar to when the Z Fighters undergo training in heightened gravity:

...And even though I'm starting to come to terms with Freeza increasing his power this significantly just through good 'ol fashioned hard work, depicting him training in highly increased gravity would help better-explain his massive gains. 👆

As for his new transformation: I'm impartial to its look either way. I'd be fine with a very minor change, or I'd be fine with a major change--I just don't want it to look anything like Cooler's 5th form. This transformation needs to be completely unique, imo.

Originally posted by john allerdyce
Theories on what the green liquid is that Frieza is emerging from in this screencap?
urine

If it turns out to have the same effect as whatever birthed Bio-Broly, not even Cooler or Cell coming in to replace Freeza will make up for it.

Originally posted by Galan007
Also, an alternate image of Gohan powering up was released(note his black/Mystic hair):

Not yet sure if it's also fanart, but it is cool nonetheless. 🙂

Looks a bit rough to call an official peice, but as I said before, I wouldn't be surprised if it does happen with Gohan.

And to be completely honest I always preferred the way Ultimate Gohan worked (and looked) over something like SSJ3.

Also, yeah, I also really doubt all that jazz pertaining to Frieza killing Beerus is true, considering Beerus supposedly ain't even gone past 60-70% of his power against Goku, the potential time between Battle of Gods and this movie notwithstanding (if it really is three years later, assuming this commotion didn't just wake him up early).

Originally posted by Galan007
Well, after his initial God amp/aura timed out, Goku needed to access additional power while fighting Beerus--but he just powered up to a SSJ1. Toriyama also stated that Goku will probably only use his base and SSJ1 forms in the future.

So yeah, if we see that original God form again, I'll be surprised.

If im not mistaken Goku returned to his "god mode" to absorb Beerus's attack.

I would say God Mode is still a form that will be seen in the future. I just dont think Goku currently knows how to transform into it at will like other forms. Seems like he blacked out when he transformed for the second time vs Beerus.

Oh, I'm not excluding the possibility of seeing SSJG again. I'm just saying that Goku's leaked/in-universe statement from RoF that he no longer needs to power up beyond his base level, coupled with Akira's statement that we'll probably just see base and SSJ1 Goku in the future, makes me think that full God-mode(ie. maroon/purple hair, lean build, and CG aura) might be a thing of the past.

Originally posted by Galan007
Akira himself stated that Krillin is the most powerful human:

ie. Krillin>Tien/Yamcha/Chiaotzu(yes, Tien is classified as a human--the Shin Kikoho simply makes him *seem* more powerful than he is.)

That said, Krillin was at his most powerful during the Cell Games, which took place [b]5 years after the Freeza saga--he stopped training after that. How much more powerful did he become? Well for a point of reference: even Goku, who spent his entire life(and afterlife) training, still possessed a base PL <Freeza/120m as of BoG(post-Buu saga.) This means his base PL hadn't even increased by 40x between the Freeza and Buu sagas(which were nearly 20 years apart, mind you.)

So even if we give Krillin the asinine benefit of the doubt, and pretend that he somehow increased his PL by 40x in a 5 year span of time(which is an absolutely unprecedented increase for a human), it still only gives him a PL of 3,000,000 during the Cell Games. So even highballing tremendously only puts Krillin around 3rd form Freeza's level--maybe a little more powerful.

My personal opinion: he was in the high hundreds of thousands--maybe a million. [/B]

I'm the only person I know of (on KMC) that approaches the ballpark of your vast array of knowledge regarding Dragonball...and I concur with your above estimate. 🙂

It is now canon, bitches. uhuh

Here's a devil's advocate question, however, that may make this estimate wrong:

Cell Jr.s fought the Z-Squad and Krillin and Co. did not die with one shot from them. Sure, many got their asses kicked but if Krillin was as weak as suggested, he would have easily been one-shotted (and died).

Yamcha and Tien, whom are both weaker than Krillin(per Akira himself), also endured a prolonged beating from the Cell Juniors w/o dying. Since the CJ's were each>ASSJ-level, logic dictates that they must have been holding back tremendously against the humans as to not kill them. After all, even if you combined the humans' respective power levels, they'd still be WAY below n00b-SSJ-level... Let alone ASSJ-level... Let alone CJ-level.

Anywho, glad to see you participating in DBZ debates again. 👆

*edit
Just noticed that I forgot to include how I came up with a max PL of 3m for Krillin during the Cell Games, in the post you quoted...

V-Jump credits Krillin with a PL of 75,000(post-Guru-unlock) during the Freeza saga:
http://i.imgur.com/5niMVAG.jpg

75,000*40=3,000,000

I'm curious what Sorbet appears to be holding here(lower right):

Here's the image enhanced:

...Would be interesting if that ends up being a chunk/shard of Freeza's remains from years ago when Trunks killed him. mmm

Originally posted by Galan007
Yamcha and Tien, whom are both weaker than Krillin(per Akira himself), also endured a prolonged beating from the Cell Juniors w/o dying. Since the CJ's were each>ASSJ-level, logic dictates that they must have been holding back tremendously against the humans as to not kill them. After all, even if you combined the humans' respective power levels, they'd still be WAY below n00b-SSJ-level... Let alone ASSJ-level... Let alone CJ-level.

Anywho, glad to see you participating in DBZ debates again. 👆

*edit
Just noticed that I forgot to include how I came up with a max PL of 3m for Krillin during the Cell Games, in the post you quoted...

V-Jump credits Krillin with a PL of 75,000(post-Guru-unlock) during the Freeza saga:
http://i.imgur.com/5niMVAG.jpg

75,000*40=3,000,000

Per these calculation/power levels, Captain Ginyu helped Goku with his near death experience in Goku's body?

This movie assures Freeza another death.

Originally posted by carver9
Per these calculation/power levels, Captain Ginyu helped Goku power increase with his near death experience in Goku's body?

This is what I meant to say.

Originally posted by carver9
Per these calculation/power levels, Captain Ginyu helped Goku with his near death experience in Goku's body?
Yes.

Krillin/Gohan/Vegeta beating the crap out of Goku(when he was possessed by Ginyu) was what brought him near death.

Here is the full and COMPLETE translation of the official "Revival of F" manga, straight from the April 2015 issue of V-Jump. This answers MANY questions about how Freeza knows of Majin Buu, how Freeza was revived, etc. etc.

Chapter Synopsis

The scene opens on a flashback to Namek, as Goku delivers his “I am the Super Saiyan” speech. Mecha Freeza winces in indignation and disgust. The scene changes to Trunks, who declares that Freeza has made a miscalculation… because there is another Super Saiyan standing in front of him. Freeza mutters “Super Saiyan” to himself, as he recalls being first rent in twain on Namek, then being sliced, diced, and incinerated on Earth.

Mecha Freeza awakens with a start, a look of fear quickly replaced by an expression of annoyance as he finds himself in Hell, in a pod suspended from a tree. All around him, cute critters make an incessant, infernal racket.

The scene shifts to outer space, where on one of Freeza’s ships, Sorbet receives a report that the rebellion by the native inhabitants of Planet 448 is too fierce to contain. He orders reinforcements, but is told that other forces are already occupied with fights on other planets, so only a few can be sent. Cursing through gritted teeth, he orders a retreat.

Sorbet stomps away and plops down into the commanders chair. He activates his scouter, asking if any other planets with Namekian survivors have been found. However, none have, in spite of their many spy cameras. In that case, says Sorbet, they’ll just have to go to Earth, after all. He orders Tagoma, who is standing nearby, to ready a ship for two: the two of them will be going together. Tagoma is surprised that Sorbet himself will be going. “Of course I am,” Sorbet retorts, “because Lord Freeza will be coming back to life!”

On Earth, Gohan and Videl are showing off a baby Pan to Piccolo, when suddenly the sky goes dark; Piccolo immediately surmises that Shenlong has been summoned. Elsewhere, Tenshinhan and Chiaotzu pause their farmwork, and Kuririn stops in the middle of writing up a punk on a motorcycle to wonder if Pilaf & co. are up to something.

Shenlong has indeed been summoned, and before him stand Sorbet, Tagoma, and the Pilaf trio (who are still children). Shenlong tells them to state their desire, for he will grant any wish. Pilaf invites Sorbet to do so, while Mai (under her breath) questions the wisdom of letting them have a wish with the Dragon Balls they worked so hard to collect. Pilaf shoots back that they have no choice, and to keep quiet.

Sorbet shouts for the Dragon to resurrect Lord Freeza, but Shenlong remains silent. Sorbet asks what’s wrong: he can grant any wish, right? The Dragon says that it is indeed possible, but that person’s mortal body was cut into pieces quite a long time ago, and cannot be brought back to life. It would be meaningless for his soul to return to it as-is.

Sorbet is briefly troubled by this news, but Tagoma suggests the recovery chambers currently used by their forces might be able to revive him. His concerns allayed, Sorbet shouts, “Hey! I don’t care if he’s in pieces, just revive him already!” The Dragon is displeased with his high-and-mighty demeanor, but since he has no choice, he does as he is bidden. Shenlong’s eyes glow….

Freeza suddenly vanishes from his pod in Hell… and reappears in chunks, which land before Sorbet. Where am I…? wonders Freeza, as Piccolo and Gohan sense a familiar Ki. Freeza briefly tries to pull himself together, before falling to pieces once more. These are… the senses of a living body… If nothing else, this isn’t Hell. The Pilaf trio recoil at the pieces of Freeza, then go into full-on freakout-mode when one of his eyes looks at them. Sorbet picks up a piece, and sneers. “Just as expected of Lord Freeza… with this life-force and the technology we have now, we can absolutely regenerate him!”

Their ship takes off, leaving Pilaf, Shuu and Mai in the dust. With the pieces of Freeza twitching in some sort of containment vessel in back, Tagoma airs his concerns about bringing back Freeza: he was a dictator, after all. Sorbet scoffs, and says they had no choice: as soon as Lord Freeza and the others were defeated, both the inner and outer ranks of his forces fell into a shambles. They have no choice but to let Freeza reorganize them. Tagoma wonders if he really possesses that sort of ability, prompting a shocked Sorbet to tell him to watch what he says. “That is the evil overlord Freeza! If his regeneration goes well, it will be all right! And besides, there’s no need to go pick an unnecessary fight against that Saiyan. After all, our goal is simply the rebuilding of his forces….” With that, the ship disappears into space.

Back on Earth, Gohan senses the Ki suddenly vanish, and wonders what that was all about. Piccolo has a bad feeling about this….

Off in space, in the confines of his recovery chamber, Freeza is dreaming… reliving a nightmare. I am… the mightiest in the universe…. That’s why… that’s why you have to… die by my hands…!!! Sorbet, Tagoma, and other soldiers are watching over Freeza’s restless slumber. Mine…

In dreams, Freeza relives his last moments on Namek, and his last desperate blast against a Super Saiyan Goku. With a shout of “You fool!!!” Freeza is obliterated once more…

Suddenly, Freeza awakens with a look of rage. The ship trembles, and all scouters break except for Tagoma’s and Sorbet’s. The glass of Freeza’s recovery chamber cracks, then shatters, spraying fluid on those present. Out steps Freeza in his first form, looking thoroughly unamused. He cracks his neck and sighs, surveying the room. Hesitantly, Sorbet addresses him: “W- welcome back, Lord Freeza!” Freeza eyes him. “Hm? And you are…?” Sorbet introduces himself as a former staff officer in the Third Sector. Freeza at last seems to recognize him, saying he does recall having seen him, just a bit. However, he seems amused that Sorbet is leading his forces in his place. But at any rate, he appears to have come back to life…! Sorbet explains that they have done so with a combination of the Dragon Balls and the latest-type recovery chamber; Freeza recognizes these as the mysterious orbs the Namekians had.

Tagoma interjects to say that he also had a hand in reviving Freeza, and Sorbet hastily explains that Tagoma is an excellent warrior, on-par with even the late Zarbon and Dodoria. Freeza congratulates him offhandedly, then points a finger… and kills one of his soldiers with a single energy blast. “My skills really have lapsed a bit,” he grouses, as the others look on in shock. “My revenge might take a bit of time.” Sorbet is taken aback. “R- revenge?”

“Of course,” says Freeza. “After all, I will not be satisfied until I have obliterated those two Super Saiyans who did this to me.” Tagoma protests: “This is merely a suggestion, but wouldn’t it be more prudent to simply ignore them? More importantly, like before…” At this, Freeza fires a second energy blast straight at Tagoma’s chest, sending him flying through the viewport and causing the compartment to rapidly depressurize. A second soldier is sucked into space while another hangs on to the hull for dear life, as Sorbet hastily orders the shields raised.

As the other soldiers recover their bearings and help one of their own back inside, Freeza lectures them about how his forces have become quite weak while he was away. How can they, Freeza’s mighty forces in the universe, do their work while trembling in fear of a paltry few Saiyans? Sorbet tries to warn him off, saying that the Saiyan named Son Goku became even more powerful than that. This, however, amuses Freeza, who claims it was entirely expected: “I merely have to become stronger than he is.” Sorbet goes on to say that he defeated even Majin Buu… though after that, they have no data. “Majin Buu…” muses Freeza, “Papa told me never to lay a hand on only two people: God of Destruction Beerus, and Majin Buu. That Majin Buu, eh?…” Sorbet nervously agrees. Freeza is not happy: “…That is beyond what I had imagined.”

“However,” smirks the overlord, “isn’t it interesting?” Sorbet asks what he means. “Since I was a born genius, I have never done such a thing as a training, nor have I ever had any need.” At this, he ascends into the air. “I wonder what will happen… if I train, and draw out all my latent potential…”

“You mean… you’ll be able to get stronger?” asks Sorbet hesitantly. “Well, of course,” replies Freeza, “according to my predictions, I will…. If I train in earnest for four months… I should be able to snuff out even that Saiyan in the blink of an eye…” Sorbet and the others are astounded: “What… that much stronger…?” Freeza just grins an evil grin.

Source

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On top of that, here is another translated message taken straight from the official "RoF" site:

Bulma:
But didn’t the Trunks from the future dice Freeza up into tiny bits?!

Goku:
They put all the little pieces of his body back together using a whatchamacallit machine, seems like.
And on top of that, since he was defeated by me and Trunks, he’s got a huge grudge, and to win against me, he attacked after gaining the strength to progress/evolve further beyond his four transformations.

Frieza is awesome.

The very idea of Freeza getting that strong in 4 months is so staggeringly stupid that it is actually kinda awesome.

Originally posted by Bentley
Frieza is awesome.

Originally posted by AuraAngel
The very idea of Freeza getting that strong in 4 months is so staggeringly stupid that it is actually kinda awesome.

👆

Originally posted by Bentley
Frieza is weak and always dies a horrible death at the hand of Saijens.

Agreed.

4 F*CKING MONTHS???? Holy shit Frieza is BOSS!

Originally posted by juggerman
4 F*CKING MONTHS???? Holy shit Frieza is BOSS!

Well, if you think about it, their power level, without training, is so absurdly beyond any other species that it should make sense that their training would level up much faster, too.

However, the chasm between barely SSJ Goku and SSJ3 Goku is absurd. There's no way training would help Frieza bridge that gap in just 4 months unless they are just going to write in abilities...

So I disagree with my own logic. I hate dadudemon's point, that bastard. uhuh