Originally posted by dyajeep
if only some people try to shut up, and think, and respect others' beliefs, especially if you don't fully understand the belief you are criticizing...
Next time you think about informing some non-Christian and/or Atheist that they're going to hell, not following the correct beliefs etc for not believing what you believe , apply this same logic you just used 👆
Originally posted by BlackZero30xman i've never seen that kind of shit happen irl i just always hear christians talking about it as if it happens. like really what kind of dick is going to start an argument over a sneeze.
Nope I don't think its a big deal at all. People can believe what they want. The only thing that is a real problem is people calling other people out...let me explain.If a Christian hears an Atheist sneeze and says "God bless you" the Atheist can go ape shit and say "there is no such thing and you are a fool to believe" or they can stop and think "They believe differently then me but hey they are just trying to be nice". Same goes the other way around. People need to accept others believe differently and just because of that doesn't mean you shouldn't be respectful of someone elses beliefs.
plus when people say bless you i don't even think about religion it's just one of those weird customs that you have to observe. to me them saying 'bless you' really translates to "i acknowledge that you just sneezed" which seems weird to me but i go along with it cause it's normal.
Originally posted by red g jacks
man i've never seen that kind of shit happen irl i just always hear christians talking about it as if it happens. like really what kind of dick is going to start an argument over a sneeze.plus when people say bless you i don't even think about religion it's just one of those weird customs that you have to observe. to me them saying 'bless you' really translates to "i acknowledge that you just sneezed" which seems weird to me but i go along with it cause it's normal.
It goes way back to the time of the plague.
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Would you be offended if I call you an *******, even if you do not believe you are one?
wrong analogy... it's not about what i believe i am, but it's if what i believe exists...
again, the premise: atheists (and such) do not believe in satan and hell, for them, satan and hell does not exist... if (this is a big "if", i'm not saying i will, but "if"😉 i call an atheist that he's going to hell, why would he be offended? if i were the atheist, i would just laugh it off...
Originally posted by Robtard
Next time you think about informing some non-Christian and/or Atheist that they're going to hell, not following the correct beliefs etc for not believing what you believe , apply this same logic you just used 👆
but i don't...
i just said, Christianity does not condemn people to hell, ever... so if anyone tell you you're going to hell, i'm the first one to doubt that that person is a Christian because that is not a Christian doctrine...
Originally posted by Tzeentch
Ah, "No True Scotsman". 👆
you can put it that way, it seems... not a problem on that...
"Jesus then said to the Jews who had believed in him, If you continue in my word, you are truly my disciples,"
John 8:31
strongly implies if you do not continue abiding Jesus' words, then you're not a true disciple of His...
Originally posted by dyajeepnot that i would really care but to answer your question, maybe he'd be offended that you believe in a god and moral system that would see him tortured for eternity. basically you're telling him you think he's a ****ed up person who deserves all the suffering in the world. even if he thinks you're wrong he might be offended that you see him in this way.
wrong analogy... it's not about what i believe i am, but it's if what i believe exists...again, the premise: atheists (and such) do not believe in satan and hell, for them, satan and hell does not exist... if (this is a big "if", i'm not saying i will, but "if"😉 i call an atheist that he's going to hell, why would he be offended? if i were the atheist, i would just laugh it off...
but i don't...
i just said, Christianity does not condemn people to hell, ever... so if anyone tell you you're going to hell, i'm the first one to doubt that that person is a Christian because that is not a Christian doctrine...
Originally posted by red g jacks
not that i would really care but to answer your question, maybe he'd be offended that you believe in a god and moral system that would see him tortured for eternity. basically you're telling him you think he's a ****ed up person who deserves all the suffering in the world. even if he thinks you're wrong he might be offended that you see him in this way.
well, you can put it that way... although my initial reaction if i were the atheist is to just laugh my a$$ off of that remark...
kidding aside, i just went with the flow on that argument - as i believe that no true Christian will ever condemn a person to hell (no true Scotsman, yeah)...
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Yes, that's the point. But it is the same thing they do.
Indeed. Literalists have redefined what fool means.
If you consider the Dark Ages and Inquisition were based on faith without facts, you recognize how faith created fools and murderers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oR02ciandvg&feature=BFa&list=PLCBF574D
Regards
DL
Originally posted by BlackZero30x
Nope I don't think its a big deal at all. People can believe what they want. The only thing that is a real problem is people calling other people out...let me explain.If a Christian hears an Atheist sneeze and says "God bless you" the Atheist can go ape shit and say "there is no such thing and you are a fool to believe" or they can stop and think "They believe differently then me but hey they are just trying to be nice". Same goes the other way around. People need to accept others believe differently and just because of that doesn't mean you shouldn't be respectful of someone elses beliefs.
Do you respect the beliefs shown below?
For the evils of religion to grow, read any scripture literally.
Any and all harmless beliefs are allowed by Gnostic Christians. We know that any myth can be internalized for good results and as esoteric ecumenists, we enjoy knowledge of all the myths that man has created about Gods.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oR02ciandvg&feature=BFa&list=PLCBF574D
When there is a victim is when that view changes. Then you see why Christianity annihilated Gnostic Christianity. We do not let the evils of forced literalism go unopposed. To a tyrant like Constantine, we were poison. One of his first commands to his new Church was to kill off the free thinkers and of course, his new tool, his Church, did as bid. It was quite a ride for free thought for the next 1,000 years.
How can a Gnostic Christian, --- and any other free thinking moral person, --- not judge other's morals when seeing someone hurt other because of the same Church's teachings today?
Can you ignore such things if you have decent morals? Impossible. Especially with Islam pulling the same murderous, freedom stifling ****.
We must discriminate and judge constantly. Every law is a compulsion on all of us to judge.
It is my view that all right wing literalists and fundamentals hurt all of us who are moral religionists, --- as well as those who do not believe. Literalists hurt their parent religions --- and everyone else, be he a believer or not. Literalists and the right wing of religions make us all into laughing stocks. Their God of talking animals, genocidal floods and retribution has got to go. So must beliefs in fantasy, miracles and magic. These are all evil.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2zhlDbMfDg
They also do much harm to their own fellow adherents.
African witches and Jesus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlRG9gXriVI
Jesus Camp 1of 3
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=48b_1185215493
Death to Gays.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyuKLyGUHNE
For evil to grow my friend, all good people need do is nothing. Fight literalism when you can. It is your duty to our fellow man.
Regards
DL
Originally posted by dyajeep
the problem is that there are people who do not understand Christianity... they see this particular verse which is most probably taken out-of-context and go haywire...Christianity does not condemn people to hell - ever... i can give more credible Bible verses if you want... or you can just take my word for it...
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now, let me ask you guys... why would an atheist (in his right senses) be offended or insulted if - and only if - some ignorant "christian-wannabe" told him he's going to hell or he's deceived by satan - when he does not believe in hell or satan? where's the logic there? can someone pitch in and help me out?
because if i were an atheist, i don't freakin' care if you tell me that because i don't believe that those exist...
not unless...
*ahem*
that person knows that hell and satan exist, but just PRETENDS to believe they're non-existent...
then, he'll surely be offended...
such hatred on Christianity...
if only some people try to shut up, and think, and respect others' beliefs, especially if you don't fully understand the belief you are criticizing...
Let me repeat.
Do you respect what is shown in those links I put just above?
It seems that you do not fully understand what an immoral creed Christians follow.
2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
1 Timothy 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
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Having another innocent person suffer for the wrongs you have done, --- so that you might escape responsibility for having done them, --- is immoral.
Jesus said to pick up your cross and follow him but I see that you have taken the line that someone else should pay your dues. Quite manly and moral that. Not.
Do you really think someone else can pay your dues and allow you to shirk your just reward?
Deuteronomy 24:16 (ESV) “Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.
Ezekiel 18:20 (ESV) The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father, nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.
The declaration which says that God visits the sins of the fathers upon the children is contrary to every principle of moral justice. [Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason]
As above so below.
If you had God's power, would you not be able to find a way that does not go against the wisdom of Jesus and the bible?
Perhaps like being man enough to step up to your own demands for a worthy sacrifice?
That is what a good God would do.
Regards
DL
Originally posted by dyajeep
[B]wrong analogy... it's not about what i believe i am, but it's if what i believe exists...again, the premise: atheists (and such) do not believe in satan and hell, for them, satan and hell does not exist... if (this is a big "if", i'm not saying i will, but "if"😉 i call an atheist that he's going to hell, why would he be offended? if i were the atheist, i would just laugh it off...
You do not seem to be aware that atheists just do not like to see otherwise intelligent people lost to real belief in the supernatural.
I guess that you have not seen the surveys that show the numbers of Christians who have been hurt by your belief in hell and Satan and the notion that they were born for hell and must somehow extricate themselves from God's condemnation.
Christians are intentionally cruel to their children by lying to them about supernatural and idiotic superstitions.
Atheist have more heart and concern for their fellow man than Christians.
You just do not like the taste of the medicine that cures foolish faith.
Regards
DL
Originally posted by dyajeep
you can put it that way, it seems... not a problem on that..."Jesus then said to the Jews who had believed in him, [b]If you continue in my word, you are truly my disciples
,"
John 8:31strongly implies if you do not continue abiding Jesus' words, then you're not a true disciple of His... [/B]
He also said that any who believed in him could do what he did and more.
Note how in 2,000 tears there has not been even one believer.
If there would have been even one, we would all know it.
So who are all these people who say they believe and obviously do not?
Is that also you?
If not, show what you can do. Believer.
Regards
DL
Originally posted by Bentley
Walking their talk would be being generous and helping others as they'd like to be helped themselves, correct?
That is a part of it for sure.
Taking the right moral position against their own immoral creed would also be a part of it.
Having another innocent person suffer for the wrongs you have done, --- so that you might escape responsibility for having done them, --- is immoral.
Jesus said to pick up your cross and follow him but I see that you have taken the line that someone else should pay your dues. Quite manly and moral that. Not.
Do you really think someone else can pay your dues and allow you to shirk your just reward?
Deuteronomy 24:16 (ESV) “Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.
Ezekiel 18:20 (ESV) The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father, nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.
The declaration which says that God visits the sins of the fathers upon the children is contrary to every principle of moral justice. [Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason]
As above so below.
If you had God's power, would you not be able to find a way that does not go against the wisdom of Jesus and the bible?
Perhaps like being man enough to step up to your own demands for a worthy sacrifice?
That is what a good God would do.
Regards
DL