and for anyone that says Anakin loses to Windu, take into consideration that Dooku is a better swordsman than Windu and Anakin beat him with ease once he tapped into the dark side, also lending credit to the fact that Sidious took a dive in his fight with Windu. At the very least you nay sayers must concede that Dooku was at least equal with Windu in any case that translates to a win for Anakin.
Sidious = Yoda
Anakin > Windu
Obi Wan > Maul
Originally posted by relentless1More like Sidious=Yoda>Vader=Windu=Dooku>>>>RoTS Anakin/Obi/Maul/ROTJ Luke
and for anyone that says Anakin loses to Windu, take into consideration that Dooku is a better swordsman than Windu and Anakin beat him with ease once he tapped into the dark side, also lending credit to the fact that Sidious took a dive in his fight with Windu. At the very least you nay sayers must concede that Dooku was at least equal with Windu in any case that translates to a win for Anakin.Sidious = Yoda
Anakin > Windu
Obi Wan > Maul
This is just based on commentaries made by George Lucas.
Bonus: Plagueis=TFA Luke>>
Originally posted by relentless1
and for anyone that says Anakin loses to Windu, take into consideration that Dooku is a better swordsman than Windu and Anakin beat him with ease once he tapped into the dark side, also lending credit to the fact that Sidious took a dive in his fight with Windu. At the very least you nay sayers must concede that Dooku was at least equal with Windu in any case that translates to a win for Anakin.Sidious = Yoda
Anakin > Windu
Obi Wan > Maul
Literally NOTHING you said here is fact and most of it is bullshit. YOu clearly don't know much about the mythos. Mace is better than Dooku and Anakin and it's not close really. About the only thing you got right is placing Kenobi above maul though that's even more like Kenobi >= maul
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiMaul was a lot better at combat in TPM but I'm sure eventually it evened out. Kenobi won by surprise.
Literally NOTHING you said here is fact and most of it is bullshit. YOu clearly don't know much about the mythos. Mace is better than Dooku and Anakin and it's not close really. About the only thing you got right is placing Kenobi above maul though that's even more like Kenobi >= maul
The element of surprise, it's how less skilled combatants defeated more skilled combatants with a momentary burst of proficiency, Anakin and Dooku, Luke and Vader, Mace and Sidious.
how do you have Vader above Anakin? in force powers sure, but in sabers and physical prime it was all Anakin. Anakin per lucas, lost a lot of midochlorites when he was chopped up into pieces. That is why he was never able to reach his potential. He not only lost mobility but also some of his strong connection to the force.
"Before his resignation, Dooku was known as one of the most skilled duelists and lightsaber instructors in the Jedi Order.[1] He was the Jedi Temple's most agile swordmaster and instructor.[25] Dooku was the only Jedi besides Yoda who was known to have bested Mace Windu at sparring,[3] and during the time of the Confederacy Crisis, it was said that aside from Yoda, only Windu would have been his equal on neutral ground."
from the star wars wiki so suck it *****
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Literally NOTHING you said here is fact and most of it is bullshit. YOu clearly don't know much about the mythos. Mace is better than Dooku and Anakin and it's not close really. About the only thing you got right is placing Kenobi above maul though that's even more like Kenobi >= maul
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Totally agree. Mace was even keeping up with Sidious for Christ sake! His win over Sidious may've even been legit and not just him throwing the match to influence Anakin as so many believe. Is there any actual proof that Sidious lost on purpose or is it just a case of people wanting to believe it?
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
how do you have Vader above Anakin? in force powers sure, but in sabers and physical prime it was all Anakin. Anakin per lucas, lost a lot of midochlorites when he was chopped up into pieces. That is why he was never able to reach his potential. He not only lost mobility but also some of his strong connection to the force.
Good post
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiVader paced himself, he was still a more skilled duelist. He made use of what he could, cybernetic limbs and heavy body armor allowed him to fight more like a Knight than a Samurai.
how do you have Vader above Anakin? in force powers sure, but in sabers and physical prime it was all Anakin. Anakin per lucas, lost a lot of midochlorites when he was chopped up into pieces. That is why he was never able to reach his potential. He not only lost mobility but also some of his strong connection to the force.
Vader was altogether more dangerous in combat. As for Force potential, Vader had the highest concentration of midi-chlorians per cell of anyone in the mythos. Even after Mustafar, he retained that concentration in what was left of his body, and all the powers developed as Anakin, and so he still had enough midichlorians in his body to potentially overpower the Emperor. He was a vergence in the Force, his son and daughter were merely freakishly powerful off-springs.
Let's examine the indications of Vader's remnant potential, he sensed the presence of his son when the Emperor could not, which was a sign in and of itself that he still could have easily surpassed the Emperor given motivation. As Vader his motivations were loathing, and the reunion with his offspring. Which showed, he had no loathing for his son and was caught off guard and his son got the better of him for a moment in RoTJ. His son also gave him incentive to surpass the Emperor's senses. The Emperor would never have sensed that Leia was Luke's sister. The Emperor wouldn't have known what happened to Kenobi upon vanishing, nor would he have later taught himself to become a Force ghost as Vader had apparently done so.
Furthermore, RoTJ Luke was RoTS Anakin's level in prowess, both of them seen developing the Force choke technique out of instinct. It shows Luke's progression was quicker than Anakin's, mostly because Yoda was a better instructor to Luke than Kenobi was to Anakin. Also, Luke's training would have been far more intense, culminated with Luke's greater clarity and ease of mind as well as his superior dedication to training. By the time he faced Vader on Bespin he would have been Episode II Anakin's equal in progression.
Originally posted by Star428Mace pulled a 4/10 win. Mostly, Sidious would have been able to defeat Windu, Windu had as good of a shot at the Emperor as Dooku had at Yoda. That kick to the face caught the Emperor at the perfect moment (shatterpoint), after disarmament he was disadvantaged, despite his superior strength in the Force.
👆Totally agree. Mace was even keeping up with Sidious for Christ sake! His win over Sidious may've even been legit and not just him throwing the match to influence Anakin as so many believe. Is there any actual proof that Sidious lost on purpose or is it just a case of people wanting to believe it?
I don't agree with your opinion that Dooku had as good a shot as defeating Yoda as Mace did defeating Sidious because it sure looked to me like Mace actually beat Sidious whereas Dooku only fought Yoda briefly and then ran away just as Yoda was getting warmed-up. If that fight had gone on much longer Yoda would've shown that he was clearly >>>>> Dooku. Dooku tucked tail and ran away though because he knew he would eventually lose. Technically speaking, fleeing the way he did counts as a loss anyway, imo.
Also, Anakin clearly bested him by himself in RotS.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Only Maul isn't greater as we've established Tempest. One got turned into a pint sized midget by a Padawan. The other lived a long and full life with all his body intact. Kenobi is superior and has the superior wins on his ledger. It's not close really. If you want to compare victories.. this will be very clear and you know it.
That's a hell of a non-sequitur. 👆
If you're looking to troll, you should keep your sights on quan.
Originally posted by Oneness
Vader paced himself, he was still a more skilled duelist. He made use of what he could, cybernetic limbs and heavy body armor allowed him to fight more like a Knight than a Samurai.Vader was altogether more dangerous in combat. As for Force potential, Vader had the highest concentration of midi-chlorians per cell of anyone in the mythos. Even after Mustafar, he retained that concentration in what was left of his body, and all the powers developed as Anakin, and so he still had enough midichlorians in his body to potentially overpower the Emperor. He was a vergence in the Force, his son and daughter were merely freakishly powerful off-springs.
Let's examine the indications of Vader's remnant potential, he sensed the presence of his son when the Emperor could not, which was a sign in and of itself that he still could have easily surpassed the Emperor given motivation. As Vader his motivations were loathing, and the reunion with his offspring. Which showed, he had no loathing for his son and was caught off guard and his son got the better of him for a moment in RoTJ. His son also gave him incentive to surpass the Emperor's senses. The Emperor would never have sensed that Leia was Luke's sister. The Emperor wouldn't have known what happened to Kenobi upon vanishing, nor would he have later taught himself to become a Force ghost as Vader had apparently done so.
Furthermore, RoTJ Luke was RoTS Anakin's level in prowess, both of them seen developing the Force choke technique out of instinct. It shows Luke's progression was quicker than Anakin's, mostly because Yoda was a better instructor to Luke than Kenobi was to Anakin. Also, Luke's training would have been far more intense, culminated with Luke's greater clarity and ease of mind as well as his superior dedication to training. By the time he faced Vader on Bespin he would have been Episode II Anakin's equal in progression.
None of this is true though.... Lucas straight out tells us that Anakin doesn't have as strong a connection as he did before. He literally lost some of his concentration when his body parts were cut off. Lucas straight out says this and that he's only 80% of the emperor's power after happens. This is the no. 1 source of canon telling us Anakin isn't as connected nor is near his physical prime. He's slow and plodding. Yes, Vader had years of practice to improve his force powers.. He's better there. However, I'd say Anakin was the more Formidable foe.