Originally posted by Board Walker
You disagree with my scientifically backed statements, and that is okay. However, no mod will censor members of their forum when they have done nothing against the TOS. Expecting them to do so means you are adopting a mob mentality, where you want to silence anything that sharply contrast you very shallow perception of what is- acceptable.Learn and expand your understanding.
You're about as bad as Lil Thingy in the pants. That's saying a lot.
Originally posted by Idraxz
You have to remember, most people on a comic book site won't be intelligent enough to do math or comprehend any science beyond an extremely rudimentary level. You're barking up the wrong tree unfortunately
Basic question for you. Are you even remotely familiar with Gamora, or is your opinion mainly stemming from your love of a fictitious character?
Originally posted by Stoic
Basic question for you. Are you even remotely familiar with Gamora, or is your opinion mainly stemming from your love of a fictitious character?
Idraxz has a point,most members including you stoic are guided by your emotional connections with fictional archetypes. Very few here actually comprehend the factual components of a comic that hel provide objective parameters, those are what can be objectively used to debate.
you have not provided a single piece of evidence to demonstrate how gamora could keep up with batman's 9.8 million feet per second speed,or how she could hurt him when batman has shown he can withstand 9.8 million/30 g's of kinetic force.
Originally posted by KingD19
Scientifically , if Batman moved 9.8 million feet per second on the ground much less in the atmosphere, wouldn't he cause incredibly widespread evironmental damage?
If you truly want to be factual about this I will explain several posibilities of why this wouldn't occur. But if you truly don't care then let me know and I wont bother with the calculations and explanations.
Long story short, is that if batman was able to accelerate to 9.8 million feet per .1 second, and he was able to decrease that speed down to normal velocity within the same time window, it would mean that batman is able to some degree manipulate the density of his molecular state. Similarily it could be argued that when batman accelerates so too are his atoms, which would mean he is converting- from a solid state to a plasmic state which means ge is also losing mass as he gains energy.
Both of these short explanations are two ways in which batman could achieve the speeds he did, survive, and not cause a large are of effect.
Originally posted by Board Walker
If you truly want to be factual about this I will explain several posibilities of why this wouldn't occur. But if you truly don't care then let me know and I wont bother with the calculations and explanations.Long story short, is that if batman was able to accelerate to 9.8 million feet per .1 second, and he was able to decrease that speed down to normal velocity within the same time window, it would mean that batman is able to some degree manipulate the density of his molecular state. Similarily it could be argued that when batman accelerates so too are his atoms, which would mean he is converting- from a solid state to a plasmic state which means ge is also losing mass as he gains energy.
Both of these short explanations are two ways in which batman could achieve the speeds he did, survive, and not cause a large are of effect.
So if Bruce is that fast with peak human capabilities, how much faster do u calculate Gamora being that she's super human
Originally posted by Board Walker
Idraxz has a point,most members including you stoic are guided by your emotional connections with fictional archetypes. Very few here actually comprehend the factual components of a comic that hel provide objective parameters, those are what can be objectively used to debate.you have not provided a single piece of evidence to demonstrate how gamora could keep up with batman's 9.8 million feet per second speed,or how she could hurt him when batman has shown he can withstand 9.8 million/30 g's of kinetic force.
You're being really moronic right now. If Batman could move at those speeds he wouldn't need a Bat-mobile to get around would he? His legs would be so powerful that he could leap from the sidewalk to the top of 300 ft tall buildings but he never does anything like that. He uses grappling hooks. The only thing that you have proved, is that you are special in the head if you actually believe the nonsense that your fingers are typing. It has been stated time and again that Batman does not actually possess super powers, and that he is peak human. The scan that you posted was of Batman dealing with a nervous scrub that missed a moving target. Daredevil would have been able to do the same, and even add a flip to it.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
So if Bruce is that fast with peak human capabilities, how much faster do u calculate Gamora being that she's super human
Classifications such as peak human and super human are merely psychological constructs that forum posters have made, they are notan accurate representation of a characters true parameters.
To calculate gamora's speed I would need to see a scan/s of her performing a display of speed and acceleration, and most importantly it must include something we can objectively measure it against (gun shot, muzzle flash, etc).
As of right now regardless of their forum assigned classifications, batman is faster than gamora.
Originally posted by Board Walker
Classifications such as peak human and super human are merely psychological constructs that forum posters have made, they are notan accurate representation of a characters true parameters.To calculate gamora's speed I would need to see a scan/s of her performing a display of speed and acceleration, and most importantly it must include something we can objectively measure it against (gun shot, muzzle flash, etc).
As of right now regardless of their forum assigned classifications, batman is faster than gamora.
That's cool. Your calculations arent represented in the actual source material. Either by himself or narrative.
I already posted the scan and calculations, we objectively know the dissipation speed of a handgun's muzzle flash, we also know the speed of a handgun round, and we saw a relative distance the bullets- traveled. This allows us to objectively measure batman's acceleration, distance speed per second, and the kinetic force (g's). So yes the comic did provide objective parameters for measurement of speed.
Originally posted by Board Walker
I already posted the scan and calculations, we objectively know the dissipation speed of a handgun's muzzle flash, we also know the speed of a handgun round, and we saw a relative distance the bullets- traveled. This allows us to objectively measure batman's acceleration, distance speed per second, and the kinetic force (g's). So yes the comic did provide objective parameters for measurement of speed.
He was also a moving target versus a frightened man that missed the mark because of his fear of the Batman. What we see is Bruce taking off in his leap before the gunman begins to squeeze the trigger. Show me one time where Batman is running at these speeds. Just one.
Originally posted by Board Walker
I already posted the scan and calculations, we objectively know the dissipation speed of a handgun's muzzle flash, we also know the speed of a handgun round, and we saw a relative distance the bullets- traveled. This allows us to objectively measure batman's acceleration, distance speed per second, and the kinetic force (g's). So yes the comic did provide objective parameters for measurement of speed.
Not really, what was shown wasn't what you're insinuating. I get your ploy. You're attempting to base a fictional account off real life physics which is pretty asinine. Science is exact. You're "guessing" too much. We do not know the distance traveled. The rate at which he moved. You straw grasping at best and at worst blatantly trolling. By your summation batmans speed would eclipse most speedsters and superhumans. Which we know from batmans fights which actually show his combat speed that he's nowhere near as fast. But please continue...im only here for the commentary
Originally posted by Sin I AMYeah, he trolls in every thread he posts while he ignores the evidence.
Not really, what was shown wasn't what you're insinuating. I get your ploy. You're attempting to base a fictional account off real life physics which is pretty asinine. Science is exact. You're "guessing" too much. We do not know the distance traveled. The rate at which he moved. You straw grasping at best and at worst blatantly trolling. By your summation batmans speed would eclipse most speedsters and superhumans. Which we know from batmans fights which actually show his combat speed that he's nowhere near as fast. But please continue...im only here for the commentary
Originally posted by Stoichow long are you going to troll. Prove, by feats, that Gamora is faster than Batman. Otherwise stop saying it. We go by comic showings, not by what should be the case. Otherwise, all of Batman's feats are PIS due to the fact he is human. If Gamora speed feats aren't better than Batman's then she is not faster. We go by feats.
Even with a sword, Batman is at a disadvantage. Gamora is still far stronger than he is, and as such far faster. What made Peter Parker faster once he was bitten by the spider? It was the increased strength of his body. Here you have Gamora that is several orders of magnitude stronger than Batman, she is smaller than Batman. She isn't bulky which leaves large characters like Grundy looking lethargic in comparison to characters with Gamora's build type. What we have here is a character that is literally Batmans superior in every physical way, and has trained to master martial arts from several planets in her fictional universe.What usually happens in comics when a character is far faster than the other? The faster character tends to see their opponent like they were knee deep in mud. Sometimes it's to the point that they make them look like statues, which is often the case with the Flash. The speed disparity between Batman, and Gamora would not be as large as it would be between the Flash, and Ben Grimm, but she would be faster than him by a good margin.
What does this mean in the long run? well she would literally be able to see his attacks in slow motion, and be able to catch the sword as he swung it. She would also have the strength to fish it out of his hand. What is my proof? Gamora dodges lasers regularly. She also dodges Spider Man level characters, and makes them look slow like she did with Venom recently. Batman will not win here, because it would not make any sense for this to happen unless Gamora was also on debilitating drugs from the start.
You are simply ignoring Batman's feats like they don't count. He has batted bullets away with ease. This takes superhuman speed and reflexes. Gamora has no bullet timing feats whatsoever.
The moment she tries to attack Batman, her limb would easily get sliced off.
Originally posted by Silent Masterwell don't make claims that aren't necessarily true.
h1a8: I demand that you post every comic that has ever been made.Silly troll.
Originally posted by Silent MasterI didn't ask you to post scans of every comic ever. That would be asinine for you to believe I wanted you to do that. Where is your common sense? I wanted you to prove that whoom is not a sound effect for physical contact by showing some other examples. No need to be slow and think that posting every comic is the only proof? Think!
The bottom line is, asking someone to post scans of every comic ever made is a troll move. especially doing so after you refuse to even post a single scan to back up your argument.