Originally posted by Silent Masterthen why make the claim ?
Once again, the only way to conclusively prove that whooom is not a sound effect for physical contact would be to post every example of physical contact that has been made. otherwise the other person(you) could easily say that it not being used to show physical contact once or twice doesn't mean it can't be.
Originally posted by h1a8
thing is superhuman too but we all know he is slower than Batman. That's why we go by feats. Strength doesn't automatically give you speed faster than Batman. You prove your speed by feats.
The Thing is bulky, Gamora is not. If Ben were human with the strength that he has he would move faster much faster. The same reason that Peter Parker became faster once he became Spider Man applies here as well. He became faster because he became stronger. The reasons that he can leap to the top of buildings is because his leg muscles are greater than they were when he was human. Actual on panel proof supports what I am saying here, as well as basic reasoning and logic. Gamora having a small build like Bruce allows for her to move fast just like Bruce. Her strength simply allows her to move faster than him. It's like you've said many times in the past. There are different levels of super speed. Batman moves at a rate of speed much like Captain America, Daredevil, Wildcat, Black Panther, and others within his strength range. I keep repeating myself, because you have failed to acknowledge this for the simple truth that it is. In other words Gamora by any logical standpoint has the physical attributes, and capabilities to move far faster than someone of Batman's strength and build.
Now on to the Whoom fx shown in the scan that has been pillaged to the point that most may have forgotten the most important reason that it was posted. Batman would not be capable of moving at that speed. I don't care if she hit him like a speeding truck hits a moose. what matters is that he is flung into the air, while she continues her forward movement. Batman has never shown that kind of speed. If so please mention or show a scene that he has done something remotely similar.
Another scan was posted with Batman dodging bullets. Batman sees the gunmen, and leaps before the gunmen squeezes the trigger 3 times. The gunmen is also nervous, and has to hit a moving target. Why is the gunmen nervous? Well unless he has never heard of Batman (which he had) he would have a lot to be nervous about.
So, it isn't impossible for Batman to win even with the slight handicap. It's just unlikely that he would win against someone stronger, faster, smaller, with a healing factor, bionically engineered super skeleton, and is equally skilled if not more than he is. Don't be hard on yourself, you didn't realize that this actually is spite against Batman.
Originally posted by Stoicthere are many characters with a greater strength to mass ratio than Gamora and are still slower than both Batman and Gamora. In other words, there are characters who have more than twice the strength of Gamora and less than twice her weight and are still significantly slower. Strength in comics isn't speed and reflexes.
The Thing is bulky, Gamora is not. If Ben were human with the strength that he has he would move faster much faster. The same reason that Peter Parker became faster once he became Spider Man applies here as well. He became faster because he became stronger. The reasons that he can leap to the top of buildings is because his leg muscles are greater than they were when he was human. Actual on panel proof supports what I am saying here, as well as basic reasoning and logic. Gamora having a small build like Bruce allows for her to move fast just like Bruce. Her strength simply allows her to move faster than him. It's like you've said many times in the past. There are different levels of super speed. Batman moves at a rate of speed much like Captain America, Daredevil, Wildcat, Black Panther, and others within his strength range. I keep repeating myself, because you have failed to acknowledge this for the simple truth that it is. In other words Gamora by any logical standpoint has the physical attributes, and capabilities to move far faster than someone of Batman's strength and build.Now on to the Whoom fx shown in the scan that has been pillaged to the point that most may have forgotten the most important reason that it was posted. Batman would not be capable of moving at that speed. I don't care if she hit him like a speeding truck hits a moose. what matters is that he is flung into the air, while she continues her forward movement. Batman has never shown that kind of speed. If so please mention or show a scene that he has done something remotely similar.
Another scan was posted with Batman dodging bullets. Batman sees the gunmen, and leaps before the gunmen squeezes the trigger 3 times. The gunmen is also nervous, and has to hit a moving target. Why is the gunmen nervous? Well unless he has never heard of Batman (which he had) he would have a lot to be nervous about.
So, it isn't impossible for Batman to win even with the slight handicap. It's just unlikely that he would win against someone stronger, faster, smaller, with a healing factor, bionically engineered super skeleton, and is equally skilled if not more than he is. Don't be hard on yourself, you didn't realize that this actually is spite against Batman.
Batman has blocked and dodged things that move faster than Gamora multiple times. It's ridiculous to believe that Gamora can move faster than Batman can react. Even if she can run or travel faster doesn't mean she can move her limbs faster or react faster.
Originally posted by h1a8
there are many characters with a greater strength to mass ratio than Gamora and are still slower than both Batman and Gamora. In other words, there are characters who have more than twice the strength of Gamora and less than twice her weight and are still significantly slower. Strength in comics isn't speed and reflexes.Batman has blocked and dodged things that move faster than Gamora multiple times. It's ridiculous to believe that Gamora can move faster than Batman can react. Even if she can run or travel faster doesn't mean she can move her limbs faster or react faster.
Trained to use her strength to achieve greater speed. Trained in gymnastics to achieve greater agility. These are the things that the others do not possess. The Thing is slower because of his durability/skin, and bulkiness. The Hulk can run faster than either Gamora or Batman, but can not move like they can. He is bulkier. How is it that you aren't trolling, when this is something that you know from jump street? And then you turn around, and say that I haven't said anything new. You don't seem to have the ability to understand simple logic. Strength generates speed, this is simple stuff.
If she can travel faster, and is shorter than Bruce, this means that she automatically can move her limbs faster than he can. Her limbs are shorter than his. She does not fly. Did you think about this beforehand?
Name a character that is smaller than she is, and half her weight, that does not bend gravity to help propel themselves. Whoops, I guess that excludes, all of the magical beings up your hat, and the Kryptonian's that use stars to bend gravity.
Originally posted by Stoicyou don't understand. There are characters that are multiple times stronger but less than that in mass but are slower. They shouldn't be because a=F/m. That simple equation says that their acceleration of movement should be higher. But in comics it's not that way. That's the way comics work. If Batman has better feats then why should we accept that she is faster? Because she is stronger?
Trained to use her strength to achieve greater speed. Trained in gymnastics to achieve greater agility. These are the things that the others do not possess. The Thing is slower because of his durability/skin, and bulkiness. The Hulk can run faster than either Gamora or Batman, but can not move like they can. He is bulkier. How is it that you aren't trolling, when this is something that you know from jump street? And then you turn around, and say that I haven't said anything new. You don't seem to have the ability to understand simple logic. Strength generates speed, this is simple stuff.If she can travel faster, and is shorter than Bruce, this means that she automatically can move her limbs faster than he can. Her limbs are shorter than his. She does not fly. Did you think about this beforehand?
Name a character that is smaller than she is, and half her weight, that does not bend gravity to help propel themselves. Whoops, I guess that excludes, all of the magical beings up your hat, and the Kryptonian's that use stars to bend gravity.
If you still don't get then hopefully you will this.
Let's say that Thing is 3 times stronger than Gamora but is only twice as massive. His acceleration should be higher since his force to mass ratio is higher (a=F/m). But in comics that is not the case.
Plus you are forgetting reflexes, which is not covered with strength.
Plus you are forgetting that Batman has blocked or dodged stuff that moves faster than Gamora.
Originally posted by pym-ftwno I said more than 3 times stronger but less than 3 times more massive.
Who in comics is stronger than Batman, roughly the same size yet slower?
For example, if batman has 3 times more mass than normal but with 3 times more strength than normal then he would move exactly the same speed as he does normally.
Now if Batman was more than 3 times as strong but still only 3 times more massive then he would be faster than he normally is. That's because a=F/m.
But comics don't work like that. There are characters more than 10 times stronger than Batman but less than 3 times as massive and still slower than Batman. Thus strength to mass ratio in comics doesn't determine speed. What determines speed is FEATS.
If one character's feats are above another then the latter character isn't better in that category.
Originally posted by h1a8
you don't understand. There are characters that are multiple times stronger but less than that in mass but are slower. They shouldn't be because a=F/m. That simple equation says that their acceleration of movement should be higher. But in comics it's not that way. That's the way comics work. If Batman has better feats then why should we accept that she is faster? Because she is stronger?If you still don't get then hopefully you will this.
Let's say that Thing is 3 times stronger than Gamora but is only twice as massive. His acceleration should be higher since his force to mass ratio is higher (a=F/m). But in comics that is not the case.Plus you are forgetting reflexes, which is not covered with strength.
Plus you are forgetting that Batman has blocked or dodged stuff that moves faster than Gamora.
I understood full well what you wrote the first time. I just put a spin on it by looking at it from a more sensible angle. The Thing would not move faster than her, because of his genetic makeup. He is made up of skin tougher than rock, and is bulky. Gamora on the other hand is small, has trained to battle with speed, reflexes, and agility. So who is slower than Batman, while possessing the same body type, and being over ten times stronger than he is in comics? Please make sure to include the points of her training, combat ability, and combat experience. I can't think of one person that would have her stats (strength, durability, agility.. etc..), and skill that are actually slower than Batman. Once again let's exclude Speed force users, mystical entities that bend the laws of physics, and Aliens powered by stars.
Without low balling Batman, I would place him in the same grouping of Captain America, Daredevil, and The Black Panther, which is awesome for his tier rating. However this is below her tier.
Originally posted by h1a8
no I said more than 3 times stronger but less than 3 times more massive.For example, if batman has 3 times more mass than normal but with 3 times more strength than normal then he would move exactly the same speed as he does normally.
Now if Batman was more than 3 times as strong but still only 3 times more massive then he would be faster than he normally is. That's because a=F/m.But comics don't work like that. There are characters more than 10 times stronger than Batman but less than 3 times as massive and still slower than Batman. Thus strength to mass ratio in comics doesn't determine speed. What determines speed is FEATS.
If one character's feats are above another then the latter character isn't better in that category.
Well in this case Gamora is well over 3 times stronger than Batman, and still weighs less than he does. Everything else really doesn't matter since she is an accomplished fighter, and gymnast. She isn't just raw talent with great potential, lacking in combat expertise. The Thing lacks these attributes, and is bulky, and all of the other things that I mentioned before. Why do you seem to steer away from her training?
Name a character his size that is 10 times stronger than he is while also being a master of combat, and an accomplished gymnast that are actually slower than he is. That would be roughly Spider man minus the combat mastery, and he is faster than Batman.
Originally posted by Stoic
I understood full well what you wrote the first time. I just put a spin on it by looking at it from a more sensible angle. The Thing would not move faster than her, because of his genetic makeup. He is made up of skin tougher than rock, and is bulky. Gamora on the other hand is small, has trained to battle with speed, reflexes, and agility. So who is slower than Batman, while possessing the same body type, and being over ten times stronger than he is in comics? Please make sure to include the points of her training, combat ability, and combat experience. I can't think of one person that would have her stats (strength, durability, agility.. etc..), and skill that are actually slower than Batman. Once again let's exclude Speed force users, mystical entities that bend the laws of physics, and Aliens powered by stars.Without low balling Batman, I would place him in the same grouping of Captain America, Daredevil, and The Black Panther, which is awesome for his tier rating. However this is below her tier.
Ms. Marvel is a lot stronger than Gamora and weighs LESS but is slower in actual h2h combat.
Thing can lift more than 200 tons. A 500lb (his weight) object isn't going to slow him down in the least. His acceleration, according to a=F/m, should be at least 1.5 more than Gamora's. I can argue that point here and it will never hold up since feats carry more weight. If comic showings contradict science then what carries more weight? Showings or science?
If showings then Batman is not slower than her in reflex speed or limb movement speed.
Originally posted by Stoicso you agree that strength has nothing to do with it but actual skill. Batgirl, a mere human and dodge bullets matrix style. But she is weaker than most heroes. Gamora isn't more skilled than Batman.
Well in this case Gamora is well over 3 times stronger than Batman, and still weighs less than he does. Everything else really doesn't matter since she is an accomplished fighter, and gymnast. She isn't just raw talent with great potential, lacking in combat expertise. The Thing lacks these attributes, and is bulky, and all of the other things that I mentioned before. Why do you seem to steer away from her training?Name a character his size that is 10 times stronger than he is while also being a master of combat, and an accomplished gymnast that are actually slower than he is. That would be roughly Spider man minus the combat mastery, and he is faster than Batman.
Originally posted by h1a8
Ms. Marvel is a lot stronger than Gamora and weighs LESS but is slower in actual h2h combat.
Thing can lift more than 200 tons. A 500lb (his weight) object isn't going to slow him down in the least. His acceleration, according to a=F/m, should be at least 1.5 more than Gamora's. I can argue that point here and it will never hold up since feats carry more weight. If comic showings contradict science then what carries more weight? Showings or science?
If showings then Batman is not slower than her in reflex speed or limb movement speed.
Ms. Marvel is not a lot stronger than Gamora in comparison to the disparity between Batman and Gamora. Gamora is also a lot better fighter than Ms. Marvel is, and can anticipate her movements before she makes them. The Thing's initial burst speeds may be greater than Gamora's but he lacks the combat expertise, and agility to hit her solidly before she could hit him. Again this is not the same thing when comparing a body type like Gamora's to a very bulked up character like the Thing. His lats; pecs, and size of his arms would slow him down, and make him less agile than Batman. This does not mean that he can not throw a faster punch due to his increased strength.
Originally posted by h1a8
so you agree that strength has nothing to do with it but actual skill. Batgirl, a mere human and dodge bullets matrix style. But she is weaker than most heroes. Gamora isn't more skilled than Batman.
No strength has everything to do with it, but skill, size, and agility also has everything to with it as well. Using a character that does not have the same amount of skill would be problematic for them if facing someone with a lot more skill and knowledge, but only to a point. You see this is what you are deceptively attempting to do. You want to omit Gamora for some other character that isn't remotely as skilled as she is, and then throw your hands up in victory as if you were debating with someone who suddenly forgot what Gamora is bringing to the table. Batman is outclassed.
Originally posted by Stoicstrength has nothing to do with comic speeds. It has more to do with real life speed. Throwing a punch requires force of push, no skill. Thing should be able to accelerate his arm far faster than Gamora or Batman can accelerate their arm. This is why he can punch with hundreds of tons of force. In comics, thing simply cannot strike faster than Batman, CA, daredevil, etc can react to. He suppose to yes, but he does not. Trust me, if you don't believe me then I'll bust out some serious physics proving that he is suppose to move faster despite his makeup, volume, and mass. I'll include drag force equations for rock like material with similar volume and everything.
Ms. Marvel is not a lot stronger than Gamora in comparison to the disparity between Batman and Gamora. Gamora is also a lot better fighter than Ms. Marvel is, and can anticipate her movements before she makes them. The Thing's initial burst speeds may be greater than Gamora's but he lacks the combat expertise, and agility to hit her solidly before she could hit him. Again this is not the same thing when comparing a body type like Gamora's to a very bulked up character like the Thing. His lats; pecs, and size of his arms would slow him down, and make him less agile than Batman. This does not mean that he can not throw a faster punch due to his increased strength.No strength has everything to do with it, but skill, size, and agility also has everything to with it as well. Using a character that does not have the same amount of skill would be problematic for them if facing someone with a lot more skill and knowledge, but only to a point. You see this is what you are deceptively attempting to do. You want to omit Gamora for some other character that isn't remotely as skilled as she is, and then throw your hands up in victory as if you were debating with someone who suddenly forgot what Gamora is bringing to the table. Batman is outclassed.
h1a8, I want to close the book on all of your arguments. First off we have already concluded that Gamora is far stronger than Batman. It is not an opinion, but a fact that strength in reality, and in comics give people/characters increased speed. For example; Peter Parker became faster once he was bitten by the radioactive spider, and gained his powers. Spider Man has the build of an Olympic sprinter, and not one of an overly muscled brute, thus he is not bulky, and does not have the physique of someone that would be slowed down due to being bulky. He is at the very least 10 times stronger than Batman, and he is also faster than Batman. If he did not get bitten by the spider, and gain his powers, we can be safe in assuming that he would be slower than Batman, who would be stronger than he is without powers.
Gamora is even stronger than Spider Man. A scan was posted showing that she could travel faster than Batman when she showed Ronan the bottom of her boot. How did it show that she was faster than Batman? Well for one you did not mention even one time when Batman remotely showed that kind of traveling speed. You then mentioned that her traveling speed may be greater, but not her movement speed. i then replied reminding you that she was shorter than he is, and thus coming to the conclusion that her limbs had to be shorter as well. What does this mean? I shouldn't have to tell you, but in case you missed it, if her limbs are shorter than his, but her travel speed is greater, it must mean that her movement speed is greater too. So you were shot down once again.
We then got into comparing characters that weren't remotely as skilled as she is. I mentioned that she was an accomplished gymnast, and an accomplished martial artist of several worlds that exist in her universe. She showed the ability to easily take out the She Hulk, and Rogue combined, even going as far as one shot kayoing the She Hulk. what was your argument? Well she isn't as skilled as Batman. I would say that she is just as skilled as he is, but like I proved, she is faster, stronger, and more agile than he is.
I am willing to say that she is as skilled as he is at the very least, because neither have actually fought it out, so I can say one thing while you say another. This only proves that we can argue in circles over it until the cows come home, and neither of us would have proven anything. So let's just pretend that they have equal skill.
This would mean that Batman was up against someone of equal skill, but is stronger, more durable, faster, more agile, has a healing factor that was compared to Wolverines, and a bionic super skeleton. Even with a sword, (which translates to an extension of his arm) he is still outclassed.
Originally posted by h1a8
strength has nothing to do with comic speeds. It has more to do with real life speed. Throwing a punch requires force of push, no skill. Thing should be able to accelerate his arm far faster than Gamora or Batman can accelerate their arm. This is why he can punch with hundreds of tons of force. In comics, thing simply cannot strike faster than Batman, CA, daredevil, etc can react to. He suppose to yes, but he does not. Trust me, if you don't believe me then I'll bust out some serious physics proving that he is suppose to move faster despite his makeup, volume, and mass. I'll include drag force equations for rock like material with similar volume and everything.
But I know that drag forces are negligible when speeds are less than the speed of sound so that's why I ignored your statement about bulk and his genetic makeup since I know that stuff is negligible. Force to push or thrust is everything to fuel acceleration.
They can see him before he even begins to punch. This has nothing to do with how fast he is initially. What does he do after the punch when they are out of reach after tagging him with a drug? He goes to sleep. he also lacks the skill. The Hulk is another one that is faster but lacks the skill. He would leave Batman, and Gamora in the dust in a foot race. Characters like the Hulk depend a lot on environmental attacks to make solid stunning hits, because they lack the actual skill. If I gave batman the strength of the Thing his strength would increase dramatically. he would not have bulk to hold him back, and in so doing his agility would also increase. Don't tell me that this is not how it works in comics, because I can give you examples of it working in comics. Just look at Spider Man. He was a weak human, and moved like an average kid his age and size. when he gained powers his speed increased dramatically. I use Spider Man because he was human, and it gives us a solid example of what strength gives characters in comic books.
Originally posted by Stoic
h1a8, I want to close the book on all of your arguments. First off we have already concluded that Gamora is far stronger than Batman. It is not an opinion, but a fact that strength in reality, and in comics give people/characters increased speed. For example; Peter Parker became faster once he was bitten by the radioactive spider, and gained his powers. Spider Man has the build of an Olympic sprinter, and not one of an overly muscled brute, thus he is not bulky, and does not have the physique of someone that would be slowed down due to being bulky. He is at the very least 10 times stronger than Batman, and he is also faster than Batman. If he did not get bitten by the spider, and gain his powers, we can be safe in assuming that he would be slower than Batman, who would be stronger than he is without powers.Gamora is even stronger than Spider Man. A scan was posted showing that she could travel faster than Batman when she showed Ronan the bottom of her boot. How did it show that she was faster than Batman? Well for one you did not mention even one time when Batman remotely showed that kind of traveling speed. You then mentioned that her traveling speed may be greater, but not her movement speed. i then replied reminding you that she was shorter than he is, and thus coming to the conclusion that her limbs had to be shorter as well. What does this mean? I shouldn't have to tell you, but in case you missed it, if her limbs are shorter than his, but her travel speed is greater, it must mean that her movement speed is greater too. So you were shot down once again.
We then got into comparing characters that weren't remotely as skilled as she is. I mentioned that she was an accomplished gymnast, and an accomplished martial artist of several worlds that exist in her universe. She showed the ability to easily take out the She Hulk, and Rogue combined, even going as far as one shot kayoing the She Hulk. what was your argument? Well she isn't as skilled as Batman. I would say that she is just as skilled as he is, but like I proved, she is faster, stronger, and more agile than he is.
I am willing to say that she is as skilled as he is at the very least, because neither have actually fought it out, so I can say one thing while you say another. This only proves that we can argue in circles over it until the cows come home, and neither of us would have proven anything. So let's just pretend that they have equal skill.
This would mean that Batman was up against someone of equal skill, but is stronger, more durable, faster, more agile, has a healing factor that was compared to Wolverines, and a bionic super skeleton. Even with a sword, (which translates to an extension of his arm) he is still outclassed.
YOU have concluded that Gamora is stronger, that is entirely your opinion. You do not like the perception I have presented, nor do you like the perception that H1A has presented, thus you rejected those perceptions and retain your own.
Similarly others in this discussion have rejected you presented perception, ultimately what will be achieved here is an agreement to disagree,
Originally posted by Stoicspiderman is agile and fast because of his spider powers, not because of his strength. Nightcrawler is just as agile and more skilled if not more but far weaker with less weight.
They can see him before he even begins to punch. This has nothing to do with how fast he is initially. What does he do after the punch when they are out of reach after tagging him with a drug? He goes to sleep. he also lacks the skill. The Hulk is another one that is faster but lacks the skill. He would leave Batman, and Gamora in the dust in a foot race. Characters like the Hulk depend a lot on environmental attacks to make solid stunning hits, because they lack the actual skill. If I gave batman the strength of the Thing his strength would increase dramatically. he would not have bulk to hold him back, and in so doing his agility would also increase. Don't tell me that this is not how it works in comics, because I can give you examples of it working in comics. Just look at Spider Man. He was a weak human, and moved like an average kid his age and size. when he gained powers his speed increased dramatically. I use Spider Man because he was human, and it gives us a solid example of what strength gives characters in comic books.
I'm talking about seeing a punch thrown and responding afterwards. Not predicting when a punch will be thrown BEFORE it is thrown. Batman is fast enough to react to fast shit AFTER it already started moving.
Strength again means nothing in comics in terms of limb speed and reaction speed. Skill and powerset are the only things that seem to matter.
If I show a single counter example then the whole theory is wrong. Doesn't matter if you have an example which works.
Originally posted by h1a8
spiderman is agile and fast because of his spider powers, not because of his strength. Nightcrawler is just as agile and more skilled if not more but far weaker with less weight.I'm talking about seeing a punch thrown and responding afterwards. Not predicting when a punch will be thrown BEFORE it is thrown. Batman is fast enough to react to fast shit AFTER it already started moving.
Strength again means nothing in comics in terms of limb speed and reaction speed. Skill and powerset are the only things that seem to matter.
If I show a single counter example then the whole theory is wrong. Doesn't matter if you have an example which works.
Nightcrawler is only more agile because he was trained to be, but he is not faster. Training has a lot to do with why Batman would evade a faster character than himself because he knows what to look for. i took MA as well. I know when a typical untrained person is going to throw a kick. How? Well their shoulders will drop. Do it, get up right now, and throw a kick. Notice your shoulders drop. The same applies to characters that are not as skilled as Batman, but are actually faster than he is. In this case he is up against someone stronger than he is, and just as skilled. Like I said before, he is outclassed. You want to argue speed when it suits you, but when it throws a monkey wrench into your entire stance, you want to get rid of it. The only time that speed is not directly taken from strength in comics is when the character is powered by an outside force. The speed force, metaphysical forces, cosmic saturation, solar powered... etc... This is not the case here.
Originally posted by Board Walker
[b]YOU have concluded that Gamora is stronger, that is entirely your opinion. You do not like the perception I have presented, nor do you like the perception that H1A has presented, thus you rejected those perceptions and retain your own.Similarly others in this discussion have rejected you presented perception, ultimately what will be achieved here is an agreement to disagree, [/B]
I wouldn't take the advice of someone that argued with the writer over his own work, and still refuses to see their error. Sorry but you don't have a dog in this fight.
Originally posted by Stoic
Nightcrawler is only more agile because he was trained to be, but he is not faster. Training has a lot to do with why Batman would evade a faster character than himself because he knows what to look for. i took MA as well. I know when a typical untrained person is going to throw a kick. How? Well their shoulders will drop. Do it, get up right now, and throw a kick. Notice your shoulders drop. The same applies to characters that are not as skilled as Batman, but are actually faster than he is. In this case he is up against someone stronger than he is, and just as skilled. Like I said before, he is outclassed. You want to argue speed when it suits you, but when it throws a monkey wrench into your entire stance, you want to get rid of it. The only time that speed is not directly taken from strength in comics is when the character is powered by an outside force. The speed force, metaphysical forces, cosmic saturation, solar powered... etc... This is not the case here.I wouldn't take the advice of someone that argued with the writer over his own work, and still refuses to see their error. Sorry but you don't have a dog in this fight.
That is simply your own opinion, and he was the Ex-writer. You can choose to deny on panel evidence and calculations, that is your own delusion.