Originally posted by h1a8
how long are you going to troll. Prove, by feats, that Gamora is faster than Batman. Otherwise stop saying it. We go by comic showings, not by what should be the case. Otherwise, all of Batman's feats are PIS due to the fact he is human. If Gamora speed feats aren't better than Batman's then she is not faster. We go by feats.You are simply ignoring Batman's feats like they don't count. He has batted bullets away with ease. This takes superhuman speed and reflexes. Gamora has no bullet timing feats whatsoever.
The moment she tries to attack Batman, her limb would easily get sliced off.
We go by comic showings of which you have provided none. So take your own advice, and stop trolling. She's physically superior to him in every way. You should also stop claiming things about a character that you aren't even familiar with. Gamora has dodged lasers which are actually faster than bullets. You even admitted that Gamora would destroy Batman, and then turned around and did everything other than tying her limbs up in an attempt to give him a win. He still loses here though, because you would actually have to tie her limbs up for him to win against her. So do what you do best. Run away until you can figure out another lie, and then come back and launch it on the masses.
Originally posted by h1a8
I didn't ask you to post scans of every comic ever. That would be asinine for you to believe I wanted you to do that. Where is your common sense? I wanted you to prove that whoom is not a sound effect for physical contact by showing some other examples. No need to be slow and think that posting every comic is the only proof? Think!
H1, still waiting:
Originally posted by h1a8
After he struck DS in the face and DS shot a OE after him. Batman avoided it for a moment by evasive maneuvering and used a parademon to block it. So he didn't actually dodge it but used speed and agility to avoid being hit. I'm not sure what comic it is from as I haven't seen it in awhile. I'll try to find it.
Although, judging by this post (emphasis mine):
Originally posted by h1a8
well don't make claims that aren't necessarily true.
Anyway she made contact with him for the reason I gave. In all, I say she was moving slower than a bullet but still very fast. Nothing batman hasn't countered (bullets, arrows, light , etc.)
So...Batman has countered objects that move as fast as light? That gives him.....FTL reflexes......
Yeah, I'm out of this thread. When the OP tries to stack it in favour of one side, and on top of that has a much favoured side.....
Why even put a poll on this??
Originally posted by tkitna
😆H1 still trying to convince himself that Batman is faster than Gamora who is superhuman? Tis the season.
He's as super human as Wildcat, Daredevil, Captain America (original), and Black Panther which is how peak human is portrayed in comics. This however as we know is below Gamora's super human level. Guys like Peter Parker became faster when they received their powers applies here as well. When he was weaker, he was slower than he is now period. h1a8 plays the dumb, or contrary role here, because he like so many others like one character more than the other.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85batman didn't dodged the OE in comics but in a movie, my mistake. But he has evaded energy blasts, bullets, etc. he has a feat where he blocks a laser with a mirror AFTER the beam was fired. Meaning, he reacted to the shot after it was fired and had enough speed to move the mirror to block the laser. Batman also batted bullets away with his hands. Moved to react to arrows only after they were inches away. This is faster than anything Gamora has ever done, especially reflex wise.
H1, still waiting:Although, judging by this post (emphasis mine):
So...Batman has countered objects that move as fast as light? That gives him.....FTL reflexes......
Yeah, I'm out of this thread. When the OP tries to stack it in favour of one side, and on top of that has a much favoured side.....
Why even put a poll on this??
Originally posted by tkitnaBatman has many many superhuman feats. Does that make him superhuman by real world standards? Of course it does. So they are both superhuman by real world standards. She is his superior in strength and natural durability (he has armor) but not in speed or skill.
😆H1 still trying to convince himself that Batman is faster than Gamora who is superhuman? Tis the season.
Originally posted by Stoicbatman has dodged lasers too, and blocked them AFTER they were fired.
We go by comic showings of which you have provided none. So take your own advice, and stop trolling. She's physically superior to him in every way. You should also stop claiming things about a character that you aren't even familiar with. Gamora has dodged lasers which are actually faster than bullets. You even admitted that Gamora would destroy Batman, and then turned around and did everything other than tying her limbs up in an attempt to give him a win. He still loses here though, because you would actually have to tie her limbs up for him to win against her. So do what you do best. Run away until you can figure out another lie, and then come back and launch it on the masses.
She will beat Batman in h2h because of her strength and durability advantage and lack of restraint that Batman doesn't have. Giving Batman a sword that easily bypasses her durability and losing his restraint gives him a good chance to beat her. She still has chances to win; if she hits him in the face then it is over. So either can win here. I say Batman more times than not simply because I see him cutting something vital before she lands and attack.
Originally posted by Silent Masterbad logic! Showing a single case or two where whoom is not used as a sound effect for physical contact actually proves it. No need to show all the comics.
Proving that whooom is not a sound effect for physical contact would entail posting scans of every comic that has ever shown physical contact, so yes....you did essentially ask me to post scans of every comic ever made.
Originally posted by Stoicthing is superhuman too but we all know he is slower than Batman. That's why we go by feats. Strength doesn't automatically give you speed faster than Batman. You prove your speed by feats.
He's as super human as Wildcat, Daredevil, Captain America (original), and Black Panther which is how peak human is portrayed in comics. This however as we know is below Gamora's super human level. Guys like Peter Parker became faster when they received their powers applies here as well. When he was weaker, he was slower than he is now period. h1a8 plays the dumb, or contrary role here, because he like so many others like one character more than the other.
Originally posted by h1a8
bad logic! Showing a single case or two where whoom is not used as a sound effect for physical contact actually proves it. No need to show all the comics.
That isn't even close to true, as the other person could just easily say that it not being used to show physical contact that time doesn't mean it's never been used to show physical contact. The only way to conclusively prove that whooom is not a sound effect for physical contact would be to post every example of physical contact that has been made.
Originally posted by h1a8
batman didn't dodged the OE in comics but in a movie, my mistake. But he has evaded energy blasts, bullets, etc. he has a feat where he blocks a laser with a mirror AFTER the beam was fired. Meaning, he reacted to the shot after it was fired and had enough speed to move the mirror to block the laser. Batman also batted bullets away with his hands. Moved to react to arrows only after they were inches away. This is faster than anything Gamora has ever done, especially reflex wise.Batman has many many superhuman feats. Does that make him superhuman by real world standards? Of course it does. So they are both superhuman by real world standards. She is his superior in strength and natural durability (he has armor) but not in speed or skill. batman has dodged lasers too, and blocked them AFTER they were fired.
She will beat Batman in h2h because of her strength and durability advantage and lack of restraint that Batman doesn't have. Giving Batman a sword that easily bypasses her durability and losing his restraint gives him a good chance to beat her. She still has chances to win; if she hits him in the face then it is over. So either can win here. I say Batman more times than not simply because I see him cutting something vital before she lands and attack.
bad logic! Showing a single case or two where whoom is not used as a sound effect for physical contact actually proves it. No need to show all the comics.
Thought so.
Remember the Ozymandias vs Batman thread? I was the one who taught you in Batman's capabilities. So yeah, I know his speed feats.
Are you honestly saying that Batman had FTL reflex speeds? I know what your scans say. That is the logical conclusion of the scans. Are you saying that he is FTL?
Originally posted by Silent MasterIt's plausible that Whoom could be used to show physical contact in some cases and not in others. I'm thinking "Whoosh" would be a better/clearer way to show non physical contact and someone caught in an air wake. By showing that it HAS BEEN used to show non physical contact actually proves that IT CAN BE USED THAT WAY. This adds strength to the argument that Gamora didn't make physical contact with him. Without that strength then my argument is much stronger as her speed lines appear in the same spot were he was lying.
That isn't even close to true, as the other person could just easily say that it not being used to show physical contact that time doesn't mean it's never been used to show physical contact. The only way to conclusively prove that whooom is not a sound effect for physical contact would be to post every example of physical contact that has been made.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85I'm not saying Batman is FTL the same as I'm not saying Gamora is faster than a bullet in movement. I'm just subtlety implying that if we used one off feats as a standard then Batman has the best. And that's assuming Gamora made no physical contact with Batman. Look, I'm not trying to be difficult. I know that Gamora is stronger, has no restraint on killing, healing factor advantage over Batman. That's why I believe she will beat him straight up in a h2h fight. But giving Batman a sword and loss of restraint gives him a good chance to win. She still has chances to win since she can one shot him with a hit to the face. They both have chances here, otherwise it would be spite. I just believe Batman will win this more times than not.
Thought so.Remember the Ozymandias vs Batman thread? [B]I
was the one who taught you in Batman's capabilities. So yeah, I know his speed feats.Are you honestly saying that Batman had FTL reflex speeds? I know what your scans say. That is the logical conclusion of the scans. Are you saying that he is FTL? [/B]
Originally posted by Silent Masterthat's because you are having a slow moment. I said it is plausible that Whoom can be used in both situations. If that is true then there is no such notion as whoom is not a sound effect for physical contact.
Nothing about what you just posted changes the fact that the only way to conclusively prove that whooom is not a sound effect for physical contact would be to post every example of physical contact that has been made.
If you show an example to back up your claim then your claim has weight and strength as it would as least prove that it can be used in such a situation. Otherwise, you are claiming stuff you don't really know.
Originally posted by h1a8
concession accepted. You don't know what whoom can be used for nor have any evidence for it, so your claim was asinine.
Your demand that I post scans of every comic that has ever been made is what was asinine.
BTW, using "concession accepted" when no concession was actually given is a troll move...in fact it's one of quan's favorite tactics.
Originally posted by Silent MasterI demand that you post a single showing or two. I been stating that for several posts now.
Your demand that I post scans of every comic that has ever been made is what was asinine.BTW, using "concession accepted" when no concession was actually given is a troll move...in fact it's one of quan's favorite tactics.
Even so, then why make the claim when you have no way to support it? You are not supposed to make claims that are impractical of proving.
Batman by feats is far beyond Peak human, in fact he is in the high herald class, and high trans regarding some of his highest feats.
You find it silly and call it trolling because you have already decided that batman is peak human, and thus anything that contradicts those limitations you perceive as illogical. It is not illogical it is simply outside of your predetermined paradigm, please learn the difference.
I already posted one example with a scan, and the precise factual science as to why batman was moving at about 9.7 million miles per SECOND. There is nothing subjective about that scan at all, batman was faster than the muzzle flash dissipation rate of 5 gunshots. Batman has survived punches from a blood lusted, mind controlled superman, and survived. Batman has survived from moving at extremely high speeds, which means batman has extremely high durability in regards to kinetic force (G's).
Batman's feats outclass anything Gamora has ever done, show me a feat that you believe outclasses batman in a particular parameter and provide factual evidence to prove that it does. In return I will do the same, as I already have when I demonstrated batman is FAR faster than anything Gamora has ever done in her entire comic history.
Originally posted by h1a8
I demand that you post a single showing or two. I been stating that for several posts now.Even so, then why make the claim when you have no way to support it? You are not supposed to make claims that are impractical of proving.
Once again, the only way to conclusively prove that whooom is not a sound effect for physical contact would be to post every example of physical contact that has been made. otherwise the other person(you) could easily say that it not being used to show physical contact once or twice doesn't mean it can't be.