Originally posted by Selenial
To be honest, what are they supposed to do except ignore the list? He flat out ignores things based on personal whims and dislikes or likes for a character, most of the TOR club haven't shown their faces in here because they're smart enough to know there's no reason to.
Ant won that debate about the Exile, unless there is something I missed. If you want me to raise her either post evidence to support your claims, or best Ant in the debate you had pages ago. Lmao @ claims of bias this has been an open thread since day 1, if people wanted to raise their characters- all I've asked is that they bring sound evidence as opposed to wank for their characters.
Originally posted by carthage
Ant won that debate about the Exile, unless there is something I missed. If you want me to raise her either post evidence to support your claims, or best Ant in the debate you had pages ago. Lmao @ claims of bias this has been an open thread since day 1, if people wanted to raise their characters- all I've asked is that they bring sound evidence as opposed to wank for their characters.
Originally posted by Selenial
To be honest, what are they supposed to do except ignore the list? He flat out ignores things based on personal whims and dislikes or likes for a character,
We talking about carthage or Neph here? mmm
Originally posted by Selenial
most of the TOR club haven't shown their faces in here because they're smart enough to know there's no reason to.
I can't speak for you {I'm not familiar with enough of your arguments or stances to judge}, but carthage simply takes the SWTOR/Bane playbook and aggressively uses it against them. That's why I find him so amusing. He's a one-man anti-SWTOR platform.
These guys need to prostrate themselves before Skillz, who is very seriously their last hope with respect to credibility.
Originally posted by Angelalex242
How does Plaguies make 9.5? He isn't a tier 10 saber, and definitely isn't tier 10 force.
Putting him based on force ability, I could rank him lower depending on if you can find someone better in sabers. He's Caedus's power level in the force, has impressive feats of telekinesis, impressive speed, and is one of the most powerful Sith barring Palpatine and Caedus. I could lower him based if others feel I should though
...I don't see Plagueis being able to fight Yoda or Caedus to a draw. Either should beat him...with difficulty, granted, but they should beat him. Thing with Plagueis is that while he has some impressive esoteric tricks, most of that time and energy and research wasn't spent on combative force use. And if he hasn't really spent much time on his combative force use, he's spent even less really mastering his saber. He's right now relying on being REALLY damn fast, then any actual skill.
His saber feat was killing Venamis, and while Venamis lacks showings he was driving him back and bested him once he reached a battle mind like state. He dislikes combat that doesn't mean he didn't "master" his saber". I agree that he lacks the showings to compare with Yoda or Caedus as a duelist though
Will move him down next update.
Originally posted by Angelalex242
...I don't see Plagueis being able to fight Yoda or Caedus to a draw. Either should beat him...with difficulty, granted, but they should beat him. Thing with Plagueis is that while he has some impressive esoteric tricks, most of that time and energy and research wasn't spent on combative force use. And if he hasn't really spent much time on his combative force use, he's spent even less really mastering his saber. He's right now relying on being REALLY damn fast, then any actual skill.
He is still a lightsaber master (of all forms iirc) and defeated a much more dueling-focused opponent in pure sabers when he got serious. He clearly does possess actual skill, tons of it, even if he doesn't care for saber fighting. In terms of combative force power he disintegrated a bunch of assassins while heavily wounded. Which is up there with some of the greatest displays of combat TK imo.
Originally posted by carthage
Ant won that debate about the Exile, unless there is something I missed. If you want me to raise her either post evidence to support your claims, or best Ant in the debate you had pages ago. Lmao @ claims of bias this has been an open thread since day 1, if people wanted to raise their characters- all I've asked is that they bring sound evidence as opposed to wank for their characters.
What debate about the exile? Malak vs her? Both of us have her higher than you do, ant just doesn't agree That she's better than Malak. He's got her at tier 8 and so do I. And it's obviously Bias, since you're ignoring concrete evidence. She beat Traya through her own skills with a Lightsaber, Traya is "A master of Lightsaber combat" and "A master of kinetic combat." I'd put Traya at tier 6 as a duelist, maybe bottom of 7, problem is lack of showings.
However you yourself have Traya at tier 8 in the force, and Surik at 7. She beat Traya on a Dark Side nexus that made her physically Ill, after fighting through hundreds of Sith and Sion.
To put that in perspective, Traya is in an area that raises her to tier 9, minimum, while Surik is in an area that lowers her to tier 6 in the force (Malachor is described as drowning the light side) while feeling severely Ill and reducing her stamina.
So what you're trying to tell me is that a tier 6 force user, with Tier 7 capabilities would manage to overwhelm a tier 9 force user while feeling physically ill?
Simply put, what you are trying to say conflicts with yourself. Surik is either higher in the force or a better duelist. Going off the Revan Novel, and the quotes on how she beat Atris, show that she was predominantly a melee fighter. Therefore it is safe, and sane, to assume that she's higher.
Not to mention she mastered 7 forms. People point to Drallig as an example that mastery of forms doesn't make you good, that's laughable. Drallig was old, passed his prime by far and slower than he used to be. He no longer even taught the mastered level of forms, merely beginners. Surik competed with people who have insane speed feats, Traya herself dodged Lightsaber strikes, a feat the Exile has herself mirrored in her duel with Visas Marr.
Either way you look at it, Surik is higher than you have her. You simply saying "you haven't convinced me" without actually refuting my points and proving I'm wrong, is a showing of bias.