KMC Star Wars Community Tier effort

I still think both Kun and Ti need to move up as duelists.

Duelists are pretty much where they're at, Ti's performance against Marek was a nexus feat. Are we ready to move on to the overall tiering now?

Except Exar Kun invented the saberstaff and employed forms/tactics that no one else in the lore has replicated, he's a serious prodigy.

Saberstaff master? Tick.
Jar'kai master? Tick.
Single blade master? Tick.
Niman master? Tick.
Djem-So master*? Tick.
Ataru practitioner? Tick.
Dual-phase master? Tick.

Kun developed a combat style that implemented Niman and Djem-So at their highest degrees, he included a dual phase style of combat which included shortening and lengthening either blade on his staff or changing the intensity itself. It is stated that by combining this with his Precognition made him unstoppable as a combatant and he is confirmed as unparalleled in his time.

Ulic Qel-Droma is the only one during the Old Sith Wars that apparently could stalemate him, but only when Kun himself employs single-bladed Djem-So.
Ulic himself being such an exceptional master duelist makes this very impressive.

Even Vodo Siosk-Baas is given numerous master lightsaber instructor accolades but Kun was defeating Vodo regularly as an apprentice and by Ulic's trial it is stated that Vodo never stood a chance in their fight.

Source for Kun using Djem-So and Ataru?

Originally posted by AncientPower
Except Exar Kun invented the saberstaff and employed forms/tactics that no one else in the lore has replicated, he's a serious prodigy.

Saberstaff master? Tick.
Jar'kai master? Tick.
Single blade master? Tick.
Niman master? Tick.
Djem-So master*? Tick.
Ataru practitioner? Tick.
Dual-phase master? Tick.

Somebody else with all but one of those credentials is ranked two tiers below Kun as a mid tier 6.

Because he (Kas'im) is featless as a duelist and in order to make the upper tiers in the list you need something more tangible than a trainee's unsubstantiated opinion, actual dueling feats, and have shown some actual skill against a powerful opponent.

If Kas'im moves up then so does Cin Drallig, frankly.

Also LOL @ indicating even a passing mention of Kas'im and Kun as comparable in skill, Kun as a padawan was a better duelist than Kas'im

Anyone who wants to post their overall rankings, go for it. Let's get this finished up.

Originally posted by carthage
Because he (Kas'im) is featless as a duelist and in order to make the upper tiers in the list you need something more tangible than a trainee's unsubstantiated opinion, actual dueling feats, and have shown some actual skill against a powerful opponent.[

If that's the case then why is Saba at tier eight? more importantly, why is she next to Krayt, Malgus, krayt and Kyle? all she did was beat an apprentice, spar Corran/Kyp(don't remember which) and beat Kenth Hamner.

If Kas'im moves up then so does Cin Drallig, frankly.

One got sliced in one go, the other put up a fight against one of the strongest dark lords. Yeah seems legit 👆

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Also LOL @ indicating even a passing mention of Kas'im and Kun as comparable in skill, Kun as a padawan was a better duelist than Kas'im

Except he's not saying their equal now is he? that's only you making an assumption. what's even funnier is that you have Saba and Malgus, Krayt, Kyle and Cade as equals. despite the fact that she never fought anyone equal to any of them. Yeah, no offense but them double-standards and bias are pretty ridiculous, more so than the rankings.

I want to see Bane get a rating on the Force list. Either a non nexus rating, or a Nexus rating with an Asterisk, if that's all we see him on.

I don't want to see Bane on any list on this thread.

He must be ranked so people shut up about him. Best to do it now to spare us threads later.

One got sliced in one go, the other put up a fight against one of the strongest dark lords. Yeah seems legit

You mean one of the "strongest" Dark lords as a trainee, sabotaging his training, cheating with dual sabers, and still getting driven back. Yeah, he's a great duelist 👆

If that's the case then why is Saba at tier eight? more importantly, why is she next to Krayt, Malgus, krayt and Kyle? all she did was beat an apprentice, spar Corran/Kyp(don't remember which) and beat Kenth Hamner.

Corran Horn admitted inferiority to her, and Caedus considered her a threat. Kas'im has never actually even won a fight with anyone worth noting apart from trainee Bane. Please tell me why you are comparing a guy who is featless to Corran who beat Vong and Shedao Shadai? Either of those two fighters actually have showings unlike Kas'im.

Except he's not saying their equal now is he? that's only you making an assumption. what's even funnier is that you have Saba and Malgus, Krayt, Kyle and Cade as equals. despite the fact that she never fought anyone equal to any of them. Yeah, no offense but them double-standards and bias are pretty ridiculous, more so than the rankings.

Corran admitted inferiority to her, and she has her own non nexus showings unlike Kas'im. Nice false equivalence though 👆 She is skillfully in the same tier as they are whether you like it or not.

Originally posted by Angelalex242
He must be ranked so people shut up about him. Best to do it now to spare us threads later.

Bane is a tier 7 in power, not any higher. If he had better telekinetic showing other than killing guards and breaking tables he might score higher, but he isn't as powerful as many in tier 8.

Originally posted by Angelalex242
He must be ranked so people shut up about him. Best to do it now to spare us threads later.

LOL didn't you just say you didn't care who made a rankings thread? We get the fact you're angry not everyone wanks Bane like you. I didn't even want to discuss him until you tried to even vaguely try to compare him to Exar Kun.

Oh I'm against the idea of a rankings thread either way, regardless of where Bane is ranked.

I will report you if you continue to derail this thread DMB. You've already stated multiple times you're against it and that's fine, but constantly reposting the same sentiments is trolling.

Very well. Do add him to the Tier 7 list then as a force user. I don't wanna see him not listed at all.

Sounds good 👆

Again, unless you're contributing to the rankings like ILS, McP, DarthAnt, Ancientpower, Selenial, ILS, Angelalex, or Ares; please don't derail the thread with pointless comments unless you're arguing and or making recommendations for placements.

Force Power
Tier 10

Luke Skywalker
Darth Sidious
Tier 9

Yoda
Darth Plagueis
Starkiller
Kyp Durron / Darth Caedus
(You guys will need to help me out with high tier Force wielders, not my speciality whatsoever)

Tier 8

Darth Nihilus
Darth Traya
Revan
Galen Marek
Darth Vader / Anakin Skywalker
Exar Kun
Darth Malgus / Leia Organa Solo
Count Dooku / Darth Krayt / Darth Malak / Skal'nas/
Mara Jade Skywalker/

7.5 (Darth Maul/Mace Windu)
Tier 7

Shaak Ti/ Darth Bane/Barsenthor
/ Daegen Lok /
Corran Horn / The Exile / Neja Halcyon / Savage Opress
Plo Koon/Kenth Hamner
Asajj Ventress / Mace Windu / Saesee Tiin / Sora Bulq/Saba Sebatyne

Tier 6

Obi-Wan Kenobi
Quinlan Vos

Moved up Maul due to issues ILS had with Windu being above Maul in power, Moved up Exar Kun due to a conversation between Ancientpower/ILS, Darth Bane placed at high tier 7 for power

Maul is in tier 7 and 8 broski. And personally I would put Skal'nas on par with Dooku. He should be about as powerful as Xesh, via reducing a force sensitive to a charred husk with lightning.