I was wondering about that myself for Obi Wan.
I'll fix that edit for Mace, I moved him 7.5. Folks, if you have guys you think fit inbetween tiers- we can make room for them!
I think he was placed low due to comparisons Shootingnova and ILS were making on CV.
Force Power
Tier 10Luke Skywalker
Darth Sidious
Tier 9Yoda
Darth Plagueis
Starkiller
Kyp Durron / Darth Caedus
(You guys will need to help me out with high tier Force wielders, not my speciality whatsoever)Tier 8
Darth Nihilus
Darth Traya
Revan
Galen Marek
Darth Vader / Anakin Skywalker
Exar Kun
Darth Malgus / Leia Organa Solo
Count Dooku / Darth Krayt / Darth Malak / Skal'nas/
Mara Jade Skywalker/7.5 (Darth Maul/Mace Windu)
Tier 7Shaak Ti/ Darth Bane/Barsenthor
/ Daegen Lok /
Corran Horn / The Exile / Neja Halcyon / Savage Opress
Plo Koon/Kenth Hamner
Asajj Ventress /Saesee Tiin / Sora Bulq/Saba Sebatyne/Obi WanTier 6
Quinlan Vos
Originally posted by Angelalex242
When we get to the overall thread, I'd take the average of each character's saber and force ability to get a number.Which will go 10, 9.5, 9, 8.5, 8, etc.
Then we can adjust up or down if anyone provides reasons for doing so.
Really liking the idea for that. I don't want to start it though, at least not until everyone logs into tomorrow morning
Originally posted by ILS
Source for Kun using Djem-So and Ataru?
Let's not be so dense, you should know full well that it is stated that Kun and Ulic were matched in strength and numerous times do we see Kun using Djem So techniques and classic Djem So power blows.
None of them have any place in Niman, add to that the fact that Ulic a master of Djem So combat could not gain any ground on Kun and wouldn't have for hours makes it obvious that Kun was a Djem So practitioner with either very high skill or genuine mastery.
Taking into account Ulic's own narrative praise for his saber skills there is no way Kun would have been able to stalemate for hours in a power duel without an equal mastery himself.
Ataru is implied in his speed and acrobatics during combat, I'm not even saying he's a highly skilled user of Ataru, just that it's clearly in his repertiore.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
Somebody else with all but one of those credentials is ranked two tiers below Kun as a mid tier 6.
You're ignoring the important parts, Kun used those tactics to dominate one of the greatest lightsaber instructors in the Old Sith Wars and possibly even of all time with apparent ease.
Being a technical master of every form ever made doesn't mean you can defeat someone who is a genuine swordmaster with natural ability and nearly unequaled talent with his/her form.
Cin Drallig was a seven form master, does that mean he can defeat Dooku or Vader? No, Vader schooled him in the space of a minute.
Originally posted by AncientPowerI'm dense because I'm skeptical of you posting anything about Exar Kun that isn't confirmed? Was I dense when I pointed out that you made a fake speed feat quote for him? Pipe down.
Let's not be so dense, you should know full well that it is stated that Kun and Ulic were matched in strength and numerous times do we see Kun using Djem So techniques and classic Djem So power blows.None of them have any place in Niman, add to that the fact that Ulic a master of Djem So combat could not gain any ground on Kun and wouldn't have for hours makes it obvious that Kun was a Djem So practitioner with either very high skill or genuine mastery.
Taking into account Ulic's own narrative praise for his saber skills there is no way Kun would have been able to stalemate for hours in a power duel without an equal mastery himself.
Ataru is implied in his speed and acrobatics during combat, I'm not even saying he's a highly skilled user of Ataru, just that it's clearly in his repertiore.
If Kun really utilised Djem So, let alone mastered it, he wouldn't be stated as being a Niman practitioner in the same guide that lists Ulic as a Djem So specialist. I'm pretty if he did use Djem So or Ataru we would know about it.
It's generally agreed upon that Exar uses a very aggressive version of Niman. Which makes sense, both because of the fact he fights with anger, and because he has mastered dual bladed combat and later saberstaff combat, which Niman is a gateway for. Saying that Kun matching Ulic equates to him being a master of Djem So is lolworthy, by that logic Obi-Wan Kenobi is a Djem So master because of his fight with Anakin. That's just pure conjecture on your part.
For one, he doesn't utilise acrobatics very much at all, and secondly, Kun is visibly and factually described as being "savage", which is a far cry from the elegant and intricate maneuvers of ataru. He doesn't use ataru.
Originally posted by carthageHe has ragdolled Xesh and Trill at the same time, so you could argue that he's even more powerful than Xesh. But then, they were in service to him as Force Hounds so it's likely they weren't resisting very much at all, but the point is he has to be comparable to Xesh at least to pull that off. He also has this Force Shadow feat where he uses Xesh and Trill as a conduit to blind several Je'daii Seers to the Force from light years away, which I found highly impressive.
Made the changes.What are Skal's TK feats?
500 posts, keep up the good work people.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
The ease with which carthage has outmaneuvered and marginalized the SWTOR/KOTOR/Bane brigade should embarrass them.You guys really do suck.
To be honest, what are they supposed to do except ignore the list? He flat out ignores things based on personal whims and dislikes or likes for a character, most of the TOR club haven't shown their faces in here because they're smart enough to know there's no reason to.