Originally posted by operator616
I think your theory is a completely unsubstantiated one.
Originally posted by RealityWarper
Totally overrated
Originally posted by CatL18
Why? Limbo is above orrery of the world which contain Breed and Multiverse itself. And Cosmic Armor is far bigger than Limbo. Isn't it written and established in Superman Beyond 3D and Map of the Multiverse?
BTW, What tier Do you put Cosmic Armor Superman?
Just because Limbo is dissociated from the multiverse doesn't mean it's bigger.
You seem to have this misconception that any realm/dimension which exists outside the multiverse neccesarily means it's bigger. Well, im sorry to tell you that it's most definitely not
Going by your logic, shouldn't every single new god be bigger than the multiverse since they're, y'know, "above it"?
Doesn't every single angel in the silver city dwarf the multiverse because they're outside of it.
Hell, let's go even further, even pre-FP, Phantom Girl's dimension was outside the multiverse, does that mean that even freakin' Phantom Girl dwarfs the multiverse and is megaversal?
And every being in Gemworld since it is too outside the multiverse?
etc...
So i hope you see why your stance isn't supported by any evidence whatsoever. In fact, it's completely contradictory.
Originally posted by operator616
Just because Limbo is dissociated from the multiverse doesn't mean it's bigger.You seem to have this misconception that any realm/dimension which exists outside the multiverse neccesarily means it's bigger. Well, im sorry to tell you that it's most definitely not
Going by your logic, shouldn't every single new god be bigger than the multiverse since they're, y'know, "above it"?
Doesn't every single angel in the silver city dwarf the multiverse because they're outside of it.
Hell, let's go even further, even pre-FP, Phantom Girl's dimension was outside the multiverse, does that mean that even freakin' Phantom Girl dwarfs the multiverse and is megaversal?
And every being in Gemworld since it is too outside the multiverse?
etc...
So i hope you see why your stance isn't supported by any evidence whatsoever. In fact, it's completely contradictory.
And,Doesn't Map of Multiverse say that Monitors use Nano probe to investigate Breed, But It's size is immense in 3D world?
Probe is super-small for Monitors like Monitors is Super-small probe for Primal Monitor.And Didn't Monitors watched Multiverse in jar?
So I think that at least Monitors Sphere is far bigger than Multiverse.
And, Do you have feat to prove that Spheres outside Orrery of worlds is smaller than mltiverse?
Originally posted by heisetx
Sentry can
Originally posted by CatL18
I see. But Haven't Orion said that Mortal universes exists inside mere bubble in the one reality of New Genesis?And,Doesn't Map of Multiverse say that Monitors use Nano probe to investigate Breed, But It's size is immense in 3D world?
Probe is super-small for Monitors like Monitors is Super-small probe for Primal Monitor.And Didn't Monitors watched Multiverse in jar?
So I think that at least Monitors Sphere is far bigger than Multiverse.
And, Do you have feat to prove that Spheres outside Orrery of worlds is smaller than mltiverse?Nope
Im familiar with that scan, and we outright see Superman/Orion dwarfing planets and not universes. the fourth world as a whole may dwarf the multiverse, but the beings inside of it don't except for Darkseid maybe given what we've seen of FC. There was actually another instance in Supergirl (4th series) where we see new gods as giants, not planet level giants but still bigger than usual.
Either way, i don't see its relevance, given that dimensions such as gemworld and Phantom Girl's exist outside the multiverse yet don't dwarf it. It has to be specifically stated for you to actually attribute that characteristic, that's what you seem to be missing. You're just assuming that Limbo dwarfs the multiverse when there was no indication of it.
Yes, Monitor-world is much bigger than the 3D multiverse, im not arguing that, and Thought Robot is bigger than a universe (Limbo). Im just saying that your statement of Thought Robot being megaversal is unsubstantiated. And that's a fact.
Also, regarding CA Superman's ranking. I would put him above universal abstracts but below full multiversal ones. That is, if we put aside the metafictional tone of the story. Which i personally prefer to. Otherwise we can have the 3 dimwits (y'know, the 3 humans who literally have no brain cells and appeared frequently in the Golden Age Flash comics) be TOAA-level. Im not even kidding here.
Originally posted by operator616
Im familiar with that scan, and we outright see Superman/Orion dwarfing planets and not universes. the fourth world as a whole may dwarf the multiverse, but the beings inside of it don't except for Darkseid maybe given what we've seen of FC. There was actually another instance in Supergirl (4th series) where we see new gods as giants, not planet level giants but still bigger than usual.Either way, i don't see its relevance, given that dimensions such as gemworld and Phantom Girl's exist outside the multiverse yet don't dwarf it. It has to be specifically stated for you to actually attribute that characteristic, that's what you seem to be missing. You're just assuming that Limbo dwarfs the multiverse when there was no indication of it.
Yes, Monitor-world is much bigger than the 3D multiverse, im not arguing that, and Thought Robot is bigger than a universe (Limbo). Im just saying that your statement of Thought Robot being megaversal is unsubstantiated. And that's a fact.
Also, regarding CA Superman's ranking. I would put him above universal abstracts but below full multiversal ones. That is, if we put aside the metafictional tone of the story. Which i personally prefer to. Otherwise we can have the 3 dimwits (y'know, the 3 humans who literally have no brain cells and appeared frequently in the Golden Age Flash comics) be TOAA-level. Im not even kidding here.
Nice stuff. Would it be that if the New Gods (Say Orion) were to be in their true forms, could they be even more powerful?
I remember reading on the Alvaro (SP?) boards that when Walt Simonson was going to continue his Orion run, he was going to delve into that.
Originally posted by operator616
Im familiar with that scan, and we outright see Superman/Orion dwarfing planets and not universes. the fourth world as a whole may dwarf the multiverse, but the beings inside of it don't except for Darkseid maybe given what we've seen of FC. There was actually another instance in Supergirl (4th series) where we see new gods as giants, not planet level giants but still bigger than usual.Either way, i don't see its relevance, given that dimensions such as gemworld and Phantom Girl's exist outside the multiverse yet don't dwarf it. It has to be specifically stated for you to actually attribute that characteristic, that's what you seem to be missing. You're just assuming that Limbo dwarfs the multiverse when there was no indication of it.
Yes, Monitor-world is much bigger than the 3D multiverse, im not arguing that, and Thought Robot is bigger than a universe (Limbo). Im just saying that your statement of Thought Robot being megaversal is unsubstantiated. And that's a fact.
Also, regarding CA Superman's ranking. I would put him above universal abstracts but below full multiversal ones. That is, if we put aside the metafictional tone of the story. Which i personally prefer to. Otherwise we can have the 3 dimwits (y'know, the 3 humans who literally have no brain cells and appeared frequently in the Golden Age Flash comics) be TOAA-level. Im not even kidding here.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Deadpool or She-Hulk.
Originally posted by Golgo13
Nice stuff. Would it be that if the New Gods (Say Orion) were to be in their true forms, could they be even more powerful?I remember reading on the Alvaro (SP?) boards that when Walt Simonson was going to continue his Orion run, he was going to delve into that.
Yes, based on that New Gods v3 arc, they should be if they manifest fully in the 3D multiverse. But boomtubes decrease their size proportionally.
No.
Originally posted by CatL18
I put aside the CAS's metafictional power too . But If Size of Multiverse is within jar in Monitor Space,Isn't CAS bigger than it?
CAS and Mandrakk become bigger/stronger throught fight and reached Primal Monitor itself. Doesn' t it mean that They were in the outermost shell of DC multiverse/omniverse?(What do you think about how large is all DC creation? multiverse? megaverse?)
Perhaps he's bigger than the 52-universes wide multiverse. But not an infinite multiverse. post-infinite Crisis had infinite multiverse, but it wasn't mainstream DC's. It was Wildstorm's.
What does reaching the Primal Monitor have to do with anything? In fact, Thought Robot beat Mandrakk by blasting him into Primal's Monitor being which left nothing of Mandrakk - he was literally erased.
DC as a whole is more than a multiverse. The omniverse has been referenced, pre-Crisis, post-Crisis and post-FP.
Originally posted by CatL18
BTW, Please teach me about the 3 dimwits. I don't know about them. Why Do they become TOAA level ? if CAS's metafictional interpretation is considered
😂 believe me you're gonna be disappointed when you learn about them. They are basically 3 normal humans who give stupidity a whole new meaning. They literally are the most stupid characters seen in the entirety of comics. Yet, Noddy (one of the dimwits) managed to actually write the story for All-Flash #14 (it was a golden age story):
http://i.imgur.com/PoT7jng.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/zm9ds7E.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/lsiL7hb.jpg
Noddy literally made the comic and was aware of everything within it and manipulated panels, despite not having any superpowers.
Which is basically why i ignore 4th wall breaking or any metafictional shit. It's been happening since the 1940s and it can't be actually used in a vs battle.
Also, people tend to forget that Superman's metafictional imprtance isn't the only one present in DC. Batman (a street level human) has literally cosmic-level importance in DC as well. in Trinity it was outright stated that Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman are keystones to the entire multiverse. In Superman/Batman it was mentioned that Superman and Batman are the linchpin to everything which directly led to Infinite Crisis which actually was a Superman/Batman event.
That's why we don't use any sort of metafiction to hype up any character.
Originally posted by operator616
Perhaps he's bigger than the 52-universes wide multiverse. But not an infinite multiverse. post-infinite Crisis had infinite multiverse, but it wasn't mainstream DC's. It was Wildstorm's.
What does reaching the Primal Monitor have to do with anything? In fact, Thought Robot beat Mandrakk by blasting him into Primal's Monitor being which left nothing of Mandrakk - he was literally erased.DC as a whole is more than a multiverse. The omniverse has been referenced, pre-Crisis, post-Crisis and post-FP.
Originally posted by operator616
😂 believe me you're gonna be disappointed when you learn about them. They are basically 3 normal humans who give stupidity a whole new meaning. They literally are the most stupid characters seen in the entirety of comics. Yet, Noddy (one of the dimwits) managed to actually write the story for All-Flash #14 (it was a golden age story):http://i.imgur.com/PoT7jng.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/zm9ds7E.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/lsiL7hb.jpgNoddy literally made the comic and was aware of everything within it and manipulated panels, despite not having any superpowers.
Which is basically why i ignore 4th wall breaking or any metafictional shit. It's been happening since the 1940s and it can't be actually used in a vs battle.
Also, people tend to forget that Superman's metafictional imprtance isn't the only one present in DC. Batman (a street level human) has literally cosmic-level importance in DC as well. in Trinity it was outright stated that Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman are keystones to the entire multiverse. In Superman/Batman it was mentioned that Superman and Batman are the linchpin to everything which directly led to Infinite Crisis which actually was a Superman/Batman event.
That's why we don't use any sort of metafiction to hype up any character.
